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Big11 - LAST 120 - Very sick preflop spot

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PokerStars - $10+$1|2000/4000 Ante 500 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 98,592 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BB: 157,918 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 14.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 54)
UTG: 150,550 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 14)
UTG+1: 187,914 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 232,642 (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP+1: 613,904 (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 62.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP+2: 135,625 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 15)
Hero (CO): 107,798
BTN: 152,504 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)

9 players post ante of 500, SB posts SB 2,000, BB posts BB 4,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 10,500) Hero has J♣ J♦

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 8,000, fold, Hero raises to 17,250, BTN raises to 34,250, fold, BB calls 30,250, fold, Hero ?????

MP is CL and was being aggro preflop.

1) How we do proceed with this hand?
2) What do we do if BB didn't cold call 4bet, and MP folds?
3) What do we do if BB didn't cold call 4bet, and MP calls? If MP shoves instead, we snapfold?


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Hi,

1) I would call mostly on set value. If flop comes out dry then I might consider taking c/rai line and JJ have still some showdown value against AK vs AK. But mostly pot odds are just too good to fold.
2) What do we do if BB didn't cold call 4bet, and MP folds?
Against unknown I might consider folding, since his 4-bet seems very strong, but if I have feeling he is messing around then shove is ofcourse very fine line
3) What do we do if BB didn't cold call 4bet, and MP calls? - call seems fine option. If MP shoves instead, we snapfold?- yeah, very hard to see that you´re ahead.
MP doesn´t really get there all-in TT, since players have shown too much strength likely with better hands.


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julito23
Joined: 24.08.2011

We need to win 14% of the hands to break even, and we hit a set almost 12% of the time. Like Kaitz said, we also have some showdown value vs AK, so I guess we have just about enough pot odds to call.

I have a further question, if you guys were in BB shoes, what hands would you call, assuming at least CO and BTN are regs? Would you call a hand like AK,QQ and fold if 2 players or more shove?


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I would likely not fold QQ-AA. AK, JJ, TT seems very borderline, so likely I would just fold these hands.
But luckily this has never really happened so I can´t really say what hands I would go after cold 4-bet.


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I kinda expect on low stakes MTT that most fish/regs will jam with AK/AQs, 88-JJ rather than cold 4betting.

Anyway I flatted the cold 4bet and cold 4bet call.

I had JJ, the cold 4better had AA and the cold 4bet caller had KK.


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julito23
Joined: 24.08.2011

I was thinking what I would do with QQ or AK. I think with AK and this much action, probably there are not many aces and kings left in the deck, so I would just fold. I have no idea what I would do with QQ, but flatting a 4bet does not feel like the right thing to do.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

1) We call as played. Likely continuing cautiously postflop.
2) We're all-in
3) Is he any good? If he's good a call is very strong and I would setmine. If he goes all-in.... close fold IMO. If he's not very good then he could just be spazzing out and vs an aggressive player I'm just getting it in vs both actions.


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