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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

partypoker - $0.04 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 305.5 BB
SB: 89.75 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BB: 154.5 BB (VPIP: 32.74, PFR: 24.91, 3Bet Preflop: 5.05, Hands: 571)
UTG: 243 BB (VPIP: 23.51, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 7.23, Hands: 1,161)
MP: 117.5 BB (VPIP: 32.65, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 150)
CO: 281.75 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 18.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.62, Hands: 303)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♠ A♠

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) 9♦ Q♥ 8♦
BB bets 11 BB, Hero calls 11 BB

Turn: (40.5 BB, 2 players) 9♠
BB bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

River: (76.5 BB, 2 players) 5♣
BB bets 36 BB, Hero calls 36 BB

Spoiler

BB shows A♥ A♣ (Two Pair, Aces and Nines)
(Pre 87%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks Q♠ A♠ (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
(Pre 13%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
BB wins 141.25 BB

6% 3bet. Ok to defend IP by calling AJs+, KQs, AQo+, 88-QQ, and to 4bet KK+? OOP AQs+, AKo, 88-QQ?

is river burning money? somehow it feels strange to fold river vs 1/2 bet this hand, and questioning myself why did I call preflop if I fold river vs 1/2 bet. also I cant expect vs 6% range to get super many c/f on any street so that I can comfortable fold river this hand. So I am a bit confused about profitability of calling suited broadways vs such ranges which are not exploiting me.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey GingerKid,

Defending range is fine, Can likely be fine to defend wider.

River is burning money more than likely. Simple rule at these limits ---> 3barrels heavily weighted toward value so we can exploitatively fold all our bluffcatchers. So unless we expect him to be 3barreling KQ for value (unlikely) then this is a river fold.

Our intention in calling preflop is not to pick of a river 3barrel with a bluffcatcher. It's to take the pot away from our opponent on flop or turn after he checks. Flopping a made hand a facing a ton of action is just the 2nd prize, most of our profit comes from getting villain to fold.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Flopping a made hand a facing a ton of action is just the 2nd prize, most of our profit comes from getting villain to fold.

I am aware of that, and thats the reason I am calling. Just I am wondering, how it is +EV in practice. It could be that:

1) villian cbets only value on flop and gives up all bluffs, and we call twice and fold river, in that case imo we burn money
2) villian cbets all bluffs and value flop, gives up some bluffs on turn and some on river, and since he has tight range, he doesnt give up often enough, and we dont hit the board often enough, so that we play the hand +EV
3) villian gives up some % of bluffs on all streets, so that we dont hit often enough and he doesnt give up often enough to be +ev (all combined)

Maybe I am too pesimistic about this spot, but I cant see huge profit with broadways, just maybe marginal. imo PP should be easier to play and higher EV when deep enough?


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