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4bet 78s, checked/shoved the flop with flush draw and backdoor straight draw

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Only info on OP was that he had 3bet in his only previously hand on the button.
I 4bet bluff to attempt to fold out the 3bet, on the flop I had a backdoor straight draw and a flush draw. Rather than chase either with Cbetting I thought if I could induce the bluff I would create a lot of fold equity on this flop by shoving into the bet. If I get called I still have a lot of outs to take down the hand. Would it usually be best to Cbet the flop or as played against an unknown?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.16 (20.6 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)
UTG: $31.82 (127.3 bb)
MP: $33.25 (133 bb)
Hero (CO): $25 (100 bb)
BTN: $47.80 (191.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, BTN raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($7.35) 2 4 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero raises to $21.50 and is all-in, BTN folds

Results:

Spoiler

$15.35 pot ($0.69 rake)
Final Board: 2 4 9
Hero mucked 8 7 and won $14.66 ($7.16 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$7.50 net)

Thanks for all the previous reply's to hands I've posted, especially Nitrol for his at times direct feedback (better to hear the truth) :f_thumbsup: and Metza for the time taken to give an in-depth breakdown of hands.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I'm just trying to be of help... :)
Man, you have an issue with defending vs 3 bets :)
I am pretty sure that your hand is very good for 3 bet OOP, but I am not so sure it is good for 4 bet...
I think the problem is that in 4 bet pots, the pot is bigger and you don't have so much place for making fancy moves...
I personally prefer to 4 bet bluff hands with blockers, but do not say it is the only correct play...


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Anomic
Joined: 15.01.2012

I'd fold this to the 3bet, like ^ said hands with blockers that aren't good enough to call do better as 4b bluffs. I think that on this board you will often get called by any pair because you represent just what you have: a bluff that flopped a draw. Do you ever check/shove your value hands in a 4b pot?

Just my opinion


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You probably got him to fold AQ, AK, TT so congratz hahaha.

I just think you need to have a GREAT reason when you are going to 4bet bluff, dont be persuaded by the "pretty hands", dont try too hard to do these fancy moves, they are just not profitable at the micros.

If you want to do these kind of moves, make sure you have a solid reason behind it.


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