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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $23.70 (237 bb)
Hero (UTG): $13.50 (135 bb)
MP: $15.77 (157.7 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $10.15 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) J 4 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.40) 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB calls $1.20, BB folds

River: ($4.80) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $2.90, Hero folds

Preflop: Standard.

Flop: Standard. Didn't make it big because the board is dry and the pot is multi-way.

Turn: The same as Flop.

River: The opponent is completelly unknown. What would you do?


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

I think call and fold are close options.

Spoiler

depends how many beers I've got:f_drink:


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rompas
Joined: 12.02.2014

against both blinds i would check the turn and call a river bet if its not to big,, as played i would fold river if i dont have maniac notes at sb


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Call AA, KK and maybe one or two QQ in this spot depending on the exact pot odds if you want to be unexploitable and think he is as well. He is repping A4 only (but that too is a bit unrealistic) and may have 75s realistically for a bluff. What else can he reasonably play like this?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by YohanN7
Call AA, KK and maybe one or two QQ in this spot depending on the exact pot odds if you want to be unexploitable and think he is as well. He is repping A4 only (but that too is a bit unrealistic) and may have 75s realistically for a bluff. What else can he reasonably play like this?

So you like to call?


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

It is not me.I like you. :)


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by YohanN7
Call AA, KK and maybe one or two QQ in this spot depending on the exact pot odds if you want to be unexploitable and think he is as well. He is repping A4 only (but that too is a bit unrealistic) and may have 75s realistically for a bluff. What else can he reasonably play like this?

So you like to call?

I haven't done the math, but it looks on the face of it that some QQ should be called, but not all. This is extremely hard to execute precisely in practice. One way to do it is to use and external randomizer, like a wrist watch. What does the secod hand show exactly when you look at it? Say, if it is between 0 and 20, call, from 20-59 - fold. I believe it is possible to design a method that has pretty good precision.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Yeah, yeah. Harrington on Holdem... :)


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Yep! Forgot I read it there first. Bur WARNING! Andy Beal uses the method:D


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GoOnCal1
Joined: 22.01.2015

Originally posted by Alleen86
For me, the biggest mistery here is who hit the "Unlike" button. :coolface:

What's not to like in this crew?


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010
VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Originally posted by Alleen86
For me, the biggest mistery here is who hit the "Unlike" button. :coolface:

Probably misclick:)


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bonecore
Joined: 02.11.2009

i would make my bets bigger and if oponents bet into me they either make a SMALL blocking bet or a BIG value bet witch tells me where i stand in hand
he called first from SB (OP) and vs UG raiser so i would drop 6 or 4 from his range

As played it looks like he makes a block bet on river.... i would call 80% of time and min-raise for value 20% of the time?


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rompas
Joined: 12.02.2014

unknown so big chance its a fish and i do think he can have 45 56 the bet size really looks like a valuebet..


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by rompas
unknown so big chance its a fish and i do think he can have 45 56 the bet size really looks like a valuebet..

So, what does a bluff bet size look like?


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rompas
Joined: 12.02.2014

lol good question,, if hes good he would bet similar size as bluff,, i was more reacting to writer before thinking he cant have a 4 or 6 from his range i my self would still check the turn against 2 players and call a riverbet but maybe thats really bad play? would he play 66 this way?


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by rompas
would he play 66 this way?

I think he would. He could also have 44, for sure. Since he is unknown, I want to be carefull and assume he is doing that with a better hand. I don't expect him to bet Jx or Ax like that..


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You have to make bigger bets, and when he reacts you will know he is strong.


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GoOnCal1
Joined: 22.01.2015

Originally posted by Alleen86The opponent is completelly unknown. What would you do?

My avatar on "anonymous" tables at 24hBet , where the villain is always unknown lol


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