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NL16 SH Zoom KK, SB vs BTN, Nut flushdraw on A-high Board

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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $33.24 (207.8 bb)
BB: $16 (100 bb)
UTG: $34.22 (213.9 bb)
MP: $15.70 (98.1 bb)
CO: $16.20 (101.3 bb)
BTN: $11.32 (70.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $1.76, BB folds, BTN calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.68) A 4 J (2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, BTN raises to $9.56 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.81

Turn: ($22.80) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($22.80) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Preflop: Standard. The BTN is probably a fish with that stack size, although his stats are not bad.

Turn: Not sure what to do here. Even against AT+, JJ I have 41% of equity, so I believe I can do anything here, except check/fold.

BTN: 25/20/0/0/47 (VPIP/PFR/Ft3B/FtFlopCB/H)


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GoOnCal1
Joined: 22.01.2015

I'm thinking about how much our rakeback deal should affect our willingness to make these calls
(and coin flips in general?)


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

No, preflop is not standard. 3bet sizing is way too small vs fish. He has 3.5xed pre so you can make it $2 or more easily.

Flop I think you can bet smaller like $1.15 to get called from weaker flush draws, Jx and mainly to induce spew. Betting half pot here seems button-clicky.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Can we x/call the flop as we do not have enough equity and FE?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I have a problem with the term "standard". It is used exclusively to trying to justify plays without actually justifying them (the average player (= loser) at NL50 does this, bla bla, ... the video by mid-stakes wizard XXX says bla bla bla...). There is no universal "standard". It is individual and depends on the mood of the performer (did he get laid lately).


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GoOnCal1
Joined: 22.01.2015

Originally posted by YohanN7
I have a problem with the term "standard". ...(....//....),,There is no universal "standard". It is individual and depends on the mood of the performer (did he get laid lately).

I guesses he means default , but is default in position or out of position in terms of getting laid ?
Can we accept the term "missionary" in terms of the pre flop play then?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by GoOnCal1

Originally posted by YohanN7
I have a problem with the term "standard". ...(....//....),,There is no universal "standard". It is individual and depends on the mood of the performer (did he get laid lately).

I guesses he means default , but is default in position or out of position in terms of getting laid ?
Can we accept the term "missionary" in terms of the pre flop play then?

How about "doggy style"_love:

Edit: That would be out of position (or not?)


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GoOnCal1
Joined: 22.01.2015

On the flop the play get rough, we wont know if it is true love until we see a heart


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

The term "standard" for me means that I'm doing it 99-100% of the time. So, I'm almost always (or always) 3betting KK SB vs BTN. Maybe I should write "As usual".


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Sorry, I wasn't referring to you really (or anyone in particular). The problem is that there really are players using the term and think they are referring to some universal "standard" optimal play. At least they pretend to refer to some such standard. One nice example is when Tom "durrr" Dwan justified a brain-dead move versus Helmuth (or was it Matusow?) by referring to it as "standard" on the internet. I'll try to dig up a link.


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martins1337
Joined: 07.06.2009

Originally posted by YohanN7
Sorry, I wasn't referring to you really (or anyone in particular). The problem is that there really are players using the term and think they are referring to some universal "standard" optimal play. At least they pretend to refer to some such standard. One nice example is when Tom "durrr" Dwan justified a brain-dead move versus Helmuth (or was it Matusow?) by referring to it as "standard" on the internet. I'll try to dig up a link.

I think it's this video you are talking about


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