horrible play deep stacks?

First, how big is your gand sample for that villain.
Second, watch first then act.
Third, I think it is well played.

on flop he bets, we raise, he reraise....
at this point he is usually not bluffing so our fold equity is substantially low... that is why a shove is a mistake
However if he did that play with a mediocre hand like QQ , then we will know on turn and river if he checks(we have position)

Shove is not a mistake with that many outs and 2 cards to come.

Originally posted by nitrol
Shove is not a mistake with that many outs and 2 cards to come.

with that deep stacks only sets call

I see nobody mentioned the fish sizing 0.9$->1.48$, should have little to no value hands (overpair, sets) . My guess is he had an "unbeatable hand" in his mind, like AKss or KQss, which lowers your equity a bunch.

Originally posted by bonecore

Originally posted by nitrol
Shove is not a mistake with that many outs and 2 cards to come.

with that deep stacks only sets call

Absolutely. And we don't mind winning with 9 high.

Hand sample about 190 hands...

@bonecore: you contradict yourself: if he will only call with sets, i definitely have fold equity over villain. I have 50% equity against his assigned range with which he would make the 3bet, If he always calls i'm about breakeven in this hand.

I made some calculations with the range i gave him: If he folds everything except set he will fold around 2/3 of the time (i win 2/3 times 60bb = 40bb and if he calls only with sets i win (42-58)/100*1/3*18.85 dollar = -0.97 dollar = -20bb). So i have an Ev of 20bb, so i should definitely shove this.

I would be more inclined to just call the flop/turn that deep.