NL25 Is it ok to shove here? Is it mandatory?

no never shove call turn play the river

Try to figure out his double barrel range and look at your FE% for shoving.
Then calculate you EV to see if this move is +EV.

So: you risk 8.18 to win (4.88 + 8.18) so you need around 63% FE. If there where no river card you're move would be plus EV if you have him fold >63% of his range.

That said you can calculate your EV by: %range he folds * $ won + %range he calls * (equity of winning against calling range * $ won + equity of losing against calling range * $ lost).

After that you know if you move will be + EV, but still have to take into consideration if a call is more + EV than a shove.

K high has showdown value, don't raise turn

what's your value raising range on the turn, let's say it's 1/3 of (u raise some on flop and call some)

33 1 combo
A3 1 combo
Q3s 1 combo

So your value raising range is 1 combo. So you could bluff one combo, 45s make the most sense to me.

Getting snapped by K high wouldnt suprise me.

With this stack to pot ratio he calls with any Q or A so where is the fold equity?

speeew!!!what did u represent ??? quad ? A3 wich can get fold vs shove too often ?AQ,QQ not 3betted pref ??I really dont like ur line, fold flop without equity

spew toro is spew

Fold flop and as played fold turn, as we are far from the pot odds to call. Considering SPR and double barreling my assumption is we do not have fold equity.

Don't show results & people won't be like,

Look at you: spew.

That being said, I think a shove is wrong because villain's range is comprised entirely of ATo.

Yup.

EDIT: I think flop is good standard call. It's quite nitty to fold with Qd on the board. If you're folding here I'm not sure what you're defending with

Originally posted by LemOn36
no never shove call turn play the river

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Originally posted by livethelife7
Try to figure out his double barrel range and look at your FE% for shoving.
Then calculate you EV to see if this move is +EV.

So: you risk 8.18 to win (4.88 + 8.18) so you need around 63% FE. If there where no river card you're move would be plus EV if you have him fold >63% of his range.

That said you can calculate your EV by: %range he folds * $ won + %range he calls * (equity of winning against calling range * $ won + equity of losing against calling range * $ lost).

After that you know if you move will be + EV, but still have to take into consideration if a call is more + EV than a shove.

Good answer.

Originally posted by jules97
K high has showdown value, don't raise turn

what's your value raising range on the turn, let's say it's 1/3 of (u raise some on flop and call some)

33 1 combo
A3 1 combo
Q3s 1 combo

So your value raising range is 1 combo. So you could bluff one combo, 45s make the most sense to me.

Getting snapped by K high wouldnt suprise me.

I think we're over-estimating our showdown value with K9.

Originally posted by bonecore
With this stack to pot ratio he calls with any Q or A so where is the fold equity?

You have the most patronizing question marks.

Originally posted by NitNitOneMoreTime
speeew!!!what did u represent ??? quad ? A3 wich can get fold vs shove too often ?AQ,QQ not 3betted pref ??I really dont like ur line, fold flop without equity

Spew.

Originally posted by marcosmartinez
spew toro is spew

Spew.

Originally posted by VaskataBuci
Fold flop and as played fold turn, as we are far from the pot odds to call. Considering SPR and double barreling my assumption is we do not have fold equity.

Direct pot odds are about as good as they'll get in reality. We're possibly taking his whole stack if he turned an A.

On paired board, if the flush come otr, I doubt he is calling with an A (except maybe AQ) especially playing for stacks. Are you calling a river bet with weak A when the best you can hope is split?