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Hi should we be folding the flop? or playing it preflop different?

iPoker - £0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

CO: 47 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BTN: 108.75 BB (VPIP: 51.72, PFR: 31.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
SB: 228.5 BB (VPIP: 25.40, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 63)
Hero (BB): 101.25 BB
UTG: 116.75 BB (VPIP: 20.90, PFR: 12.69, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 136)

5 players post ante of 0.25 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.75 BB) Hero has Ts Th
fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, SB raises to 49 BB, Hero calls 37 BB

Flop : (99.25 BB, 2 players) 3d Kh Kd
SB bets 21 BB, Hero?


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mattyvx
Joined: 15.04.2015

woo..... you can't call that bet for 49BB's preflop, anything roughly above 30BB's and your already committed to the pot so your decision i preflop

It's either shove or fold preflop, nothing good can come of calling that bet pre

postflop as you've invested 50% of your stack then you are basically commited


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Roger, would you fold pre here or shove then??


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If you decide to defend - you should push. If you do not want to defend - do not 3 bet preflop then.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

The hand is too strong for bluffing preflop, so when we decide to 3bet, we can't fold to the 4bet. I would rather call instead of 3bet preflop, but not sure how antes impact the game. When we 3bet, I guess we should stack off vs his 4bet size. As played, I would just call the flop.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Aparently we've faced the AK here. :)


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Yeh i should be calling as TT isnt in my stacking range at these stakes (vs most villians). Yeh he had AK :P


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Play according to your ranges.


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Ales851
Joined: 16.07.2012

I think it´s a standard call preflop. I think on higher stakes people can 3bet but I don´t like it on micros.

As played on the flop you probably cannot fold.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

It is not so standard call as many coaches put TT in 3 bet range BBvsSB.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

TT is the bottom of my 3Bet/shove range.
As such, it is player dependant. Since SB is 200 BB deep, our fold equity may be somewhat less, but on the other hand, he may be playing a wider range. If he is known to be tight, or generally folds to 3Bets after open raising in SB, then its a fold.

I agree with those who say shove rather than call the 4Bet against anyone else.
If we call and there are overcards on the flop, and we face aggression, we're really on the spot.

Cheers,
VS


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mattyvx
Joined: 15.04.2015

hey TT we get it in as favourite here vs AK so must have been the right decision

the reason TT is included in a shoving range is because it should be the widest range v range situation and we should be 3betting highest frequency here with value & bluffs


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
TT is the bottom of my 3Bet/shove range.
As such, it is player dependant. Since SB is 200 BB deep, our fold equity may be somewhat less, but on the other hand, he may be playing a wider range. If he is known to be tight, or generally folds to 3Bets after open raising in SB, then its a fold.

I agree with those who say shove rather than call the 4Bet against anyone else.
If we call and there are overcards on the flop, and we face aggression, we're really on the spot.

Cheers,
VS

The fact that SB is 200BB deep does not hold value, as we are 101BB and that will be the effective stack size. :)


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