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599ALG
Joined: 13.08.2014

Hello,

I would like to ask for your advice. I always feel suspicious when the bettings are going so well on every street when I do have QQ, KK, AA. Too often I can see that the oponent has trips or higher pair in the end.. Would you bet less in these cases to be safe? Would you fold at some point if you have just an over pair?
What would be your strategy here?

Thank you. :f_wink:

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2 (100 bb)
BB: $4.30 (215 bb)
UTG: $1.96 (98 bb)
MP: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.62 (131 bb)
BTN: $5.99 (299.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.05, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.16, Hero raises to $0.50, BB calls $0.34

Flop: ($1.01) 8 2 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.01) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $2, Hero calls $0.62 and is all-in

River: ($5.25) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$5.25 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: 8 2 8 6 Q
BB showed A A and won $5.07 ($2.45 net)
Hero showed K K and lost (-$2.62 net)


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JCSeerup
Joined: 14.12.2010

4b size seems kinda big I usually 2,4x when we have position. Given stack sizes just shove turn, you couldn't have gotten away from the hand, so don't worry about it.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Don't lose value at micro stakes betting 2.5bb, villain's gonna call ya anyway, they don't pay attention to bet size


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LuckyManFromLT
Joined: 12.11.2013

Could 3bet bigger pre and just shove turn, but besides that everything is good.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010
Lathdari
Joined: 07.10.2014

Villain's line looks odd. If he has a made hand, we would expect him to be more active OTF (unless he has A♠ ). Then why does he switch to a strong line on a blank turn? x/r on any street usually shows a hand better than OP, but 66 is excluded from his PF range. It seems like it should be impossible for villain to have a better hand than yours, so how can you avoid getting it in? Then again, I think we need to keep in mind that lots of villains at this limit are making bad moves, and the bad move may well not be the x/r OTT, although in this particular case the effective raise is only $0.62 for an effective pot of $4.63, so you can't really fold. As a general rule though, I think you will save a lot of money by folding overpairs when the villain check-raises. I know I would have.


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kidzoltan
Joined: 05.08.2010

After you 4betted pre-flop, I think there is no way to fold this hand, even if you are 130bb deep I would never fold.


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Lathdari
Joined: 07.10.2014

On the bet sizing, I like 2.5BB from CO. I'm not at all a fan of deliberately introducing bet-sizing tells into your game just because we think the villains will ignore them. Apart from anything else, it would be a bad habit to get into. The 4-bet is probably too large: $0.40 would be fine. The flop bet should be larger, because you're giving attractive odds to a FD when you bet half the pot (taking into account the villain's implied odds given your strong line). You're pot committed OTT any way, so you may as well shove. I'm not sure it ever makes sense to bet less "to be safe".


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

I'd probably shove the turn as Lucky said but WP. There's no way your ever getting away from this.


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

yes shove turn, you got PSB left, perfect sizing :)

but otherwise WP :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Agree with the shove on turn.


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599ALG
Joined: 13.08.2014

Thank you for your advice, really appreciated. :f_smile:


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