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ZOOM SB vs BB: KK in 3bet pot, villain donks OTF

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ruastinraata
Joined: 25.01.2015

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $5.48 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: $5.75 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): $5.24
UTG: $6.45 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: $13.01 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 14.10, 3Bet Preflop: 16.22, Hands: 78)
CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K♥ K♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.00, 2 players) 2♣ T♦ 4♣
SB bets $0.63, Hero calls $0.63

Turn: ($2.26, 2 players) 3♥
SB bets $1.44, Hero calls $1.44

River: ($5.14, 2 players) 7♦
SB bets $3.18 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.67 and is all-in

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Well it seems that I don't post much else than just KKs in re-raised pots, but these hands just keep coming and I'm not good in these situations. Again, this is zoom and we're playing without common history.

Pre-flop, The villain's flatting range against a 3bet is probably most widest in SB and I'm way ahead of it. Standard play. He might have something like JJ-77, KTs+, KJo+, AT+, QTs, JTs plus some strange holdings he does not want to give up.

The flop is low and does not connect very well with his perceived flatting range. However, he decides to donk out, which seems pretty odd to me. In general, I think it's stronger than just check/calling.

The turn completes some very unlikely straights. On the flop and turn I just decide to call down, because by raising, I reasoned, I would have isolated myself just against his value range (against which I might have been ahead anyway, but more ahead of his betting range). By calling the flop and turn bets I commit myself and I have to call whatever the river is and I do so.

I guess folding is out of question on any street, but how about raising the flop or turn? By betting the turn, opponent pretty much commits himself into the pot, so I guess he would have to call the shove on the turn with his draws and some made hands that are weaker than mine.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Pretty standard, without stats you've got at best two calls, even though you had decent odds otr


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Can he do that with QQ-JJ, AKs?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Looks good to me. I think unknown villain at NL5 will play like this with worse hands often enough.


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kriko92
Joined: 16.11.2010

The only real decision here is on turn - call (and stack off river) or shove. We are way ahead of his range so folding any street is out of the question. I think both options are fine depending on what we expect from villain - by calling we let him bluff and overplay and by shoving we avoid some rivers that can be scary for him (or for us).


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Don't try to figure out what he is holding. Just call down (you get 3:1 on the river and have no choice). You have an over-pair in a blind-war 3-bet pot. Sometimes he has just a pair, sometimes he has a set (though some players around here will say he never has a set - which of course is exactly what he had because the hand made the forums). You don't know. Keep his pairs (or even air) in his range by calling on the turn.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by nitrol
Can he do that with QQ-JJ, AKs?

That's my thinking. Raising flop might be an idea; we're behind very little except sets.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I am not sure about raising but calling down seems ok.


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ruastinraata
Joined: 25.01.2015

Originally posted by YohanN7
Don't try to figure out what he is holding. Just call down (you get 3:1 on the river and have no choice). You have an over-pair in a blind-war 3-bet pot. Sometimes he has just a pair, sometimes he has a set (though some players around here will say he never has a set - which of course is exactly what he had because the hand made the forums). You don't know. Keep his pairs (or even air) in his range by calling on the turn.

I did not try to guess what he exactly had in this situation, but what his range of possible hands was and how I would have been doing against it. So the river is no choice, as you said.

He had JJ.


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

I think his range usually consist of overpairs/AK(Maybe AQ) clubs and TT. You are going to be ahead most of the time, so this should be a no-brainer call on river.


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ovatsuG21
Joined: 03.05.2009

Originally posted by CPallo
I think his range usually consist of overpairs/AK(Maybe AQ) clubs and TT. You are going to be ahead most of the time, so this should be a no-brainer call on river.

This!!

If you had JJ or even QQ it would be a closer call but with KK you can't even think of folding this river.
Well played!


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