KK in 3bet pot OOP deep

You are right about that there shouldn't bet so many flushes and villain definitely shouldn't have 69d here, but when you shove what hands will call you? Well 77 and JJ might fold but not necessarily.

I would bet something around half pot to keep AJ, QQ and other weaker hands and maybe x/f river.

Well 77 and JJ might fold but not necessarily.

I think the change of folding sets is like 1%

I would bet something around half pot to keep AJ, QQ and other weaker hands and maybe x/f river.

I think that by having small left we are at risk by folding best hand on river too often. And I also think if he has QQ, AJ, he might often still call a shove. Espaicialy if pair plus draw.

So I think its good.

Well, I agree that sets won't fold here. I still think that AJ won't call a shove since flush completed and we can have it or overpairs or sets. Maybe AdJx but that is not likely imo and it is only 3 combos. I also think QQ won't call here very often if it is not QdQx but that is only 3 combos too.

If we bet small villain can continue with wider range. Hands that he continue and we beat are something like QQ,AJ,KJ. That is 38 combos. If we shove, villain will only call with better hands and QdQx, AdJx which is only 6 combos. And all of those 6 combos have equity against us. This is why I think it would be better to bet smaller so more weaker hands can call and we can fold to a raise and x/f river.

Originally posted by la55i
You are right about that there shouldn't bet so many flushes and villain definitely shouldn't have 69d here, but when you shove what hands will call you? Well 77 and JJ might fold but not necessarily.

I would bet something around half pot to keep AJ, QQ and other weaker hands and maybe x/f river.

Nothing like that. You are talking about calling 3 bet from EP. In this case, BTNvsBB there are FD possible. Bet/f flop sounds ok.

I also see quite some flushes possible. 4♦: is just a nasty card and an x OTT would be ok to keep playing against a wider range IMO.

Originally posted by Hesticus
I also see quite some flushes possible. 4♦: is just a nasty card and an x OTT would be ok to keep playing against a wider range IMO.

You mean x/call?

2/3 pot OTT is a x/c for me and another value bet OTR is a fold.

If we bet small villain can continue with wider range. Hands that he continue and we beat are something like QQ,AJ,KJ. That is 38 combos.

I would like to bet small if we should not have little left in our stack.

BUt now after we bets small - villain can think - he will need to call a river because not much left, so shove himself. He might think we might have some draw also, so to get money in when the draw is not completed and also to have less problems. Or maybe we bet small and call a raise then.

We cannot call a raise here. We will face better hands and will not have place to improve.

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c

If we bet small villain can continue with wider range. Hands that he continue and we beat are something like QQ,AJ,KJ. That is 38 combos.

I would like to bet small if we should not have little left in our stack.

BUt now after we bets small - villain can think - he will need to call a river because not much left, so shove himself. He might think we might have some draw also, so to get money in when the draw is not completed and also to have less problems. Or maybe we bet small and call a raise then.

If you bet half pot here you will have 72,5bb left.. Since when that has been "little left"?

doublepost^^

Yes, there is enough stack left to fold. Another question is that we should not play for stacks with this hand when that deep.

Agree. That is why I think it is better to bet 1/3-1/2 and fold to a raise and then maybe check/fold river, than shove on the turn where only better hands will call us.

Keep it small and simple postflop and stay away from raises and play for stacks.

Brutal hand, but you played it pretty well. I would have 3bet bigger pre flop. Other than that, I would have done everything the same as you. Villain is an obvious donk. He should not be calling any 3bet with 96s.

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c

If we bet small villain can continue with wider range. Hands that he continue and we beat are something like QQ,AJ,KJ. That is 38 combos.

I would like to bet small if we should not have little left in our stack.

BUt now after we bets small - villain can think - he will need to call a river because not much left, so shove himself. He might think we might have some draw also, so to get money in when the draw is not completed and also to have less problems. Or maybe we bet small and call a raise then.

If you bet half pot here you will have 72,5bb left.. Since when that has been "little left"?

little comparing to the pot.
If we bet 1.2, and he shoves, pot will be 6.31. We have left 1.5 in the stack.

So, we need to call 1.5 for total 7.81 pot , so we need to be ok 19 % of time.

MP2 79.56% 79.56% 0.00% JJ, 77, 22, AdQd, AdJd, QdJd, JdTd, Td9d, AdJh, AdJs, AdJc, AhJd, AsJd, AcJd
MP3 20.44% 20.44% 0.00% KhKs

If range smth like that, it might be close. But he has to raise those AdJx and AxJd combos.

Maybe ok fold, because we never know if he has enough those raises when pot is so big. I am not using QQ, cause it will 4bet most of the time preflop. Or maybe when deep I should include QQ, cuase it should not want to see 5bet, cause it is never a bluff practically at these limits.

I also when playing deep am thinking - I know that big pots should be for big hands, but if I fold weaker hands, then my folding freqeuncy will be too big and they can bluff a ton.

On the other hand - its a 3way 3bet pot, and flop cbet was big, so its likely that they have a hand because of this.

It is standard to either call or 4bet TT-AA from BTN vs 3bets so his range definitely includes QQ.

I think if we shove, villains range might be around that you proposed where we have 20% equity. But if we bet smaller he will continue with wider range. OTR you can then ship the rest more profitably because we kept his range wide. If he happens to call with AdJx or maybe QQ he will probably make crying call OTR because he has to call so little?

For149 hand sample villain seems active and well organised. I do not agree that he will call the 3 bet with QQ. Especially with MP in the pot.

I have checked this hand in PokerSnowie and here is the result

After I had run 1k hands in it shows me a lot situations in which I'm playing too aggressively postflop and giving me advices to play less off and more suited combos preflop. I'm near the spot to make some shots on NL5 by ending NL2 with EV +7bb/100. So far my training is mostly with pokerstrategy's videos.
Also I'm having a license with LeakBuster which is giving me some good advices so far about my game.
So may main question is where to invest in future to move far and faster - NL25 is my target for now. Is it pokersnowie so good for the micros or better to save some moneys and go on with LeakBuster. Also are there some good series for silver and gold members in pokerstrategy that can boost me in my games. This is my next option to invest some money for some training videos.