AKo SB V BB TPTK V Larget Bet

Oh man, this is close. I think that an analysis with Equilab is required. Then you'll see how much of FD's, AQ, etc is required in his range in order for you to have a profitable call. Then you judge whether that amount of FD's, AQ, etc is realistic for him to have.

Yohan, how about xc flop, xc turn?

Originally posted by nitrol
Yohan, how about xc flop, xc turn?

My initial thought was to check-call the flop, too. Picks off some bluffs sometimes, plus we're not too averse to getting a free card with our gutshot+BDFD.

That would be an interesting alternative. Harder to play, but might be better with a good solid game plan.

I think we can call. If u put in his range TT, QTo, QTs+ (with just 3 combos of QJs that we are ahead), we get already 33,03% equity. More than needed to call. The bad think is that we are oop, so its close.

Before people say it. It was a short example I described above ♠_thumbsup: if someone brings a more detailed analysis using equilab for this hand ll be very interesting.

Originally posted by YohanN7
That would be an interesting alternative. Harder to play, but might be better with a good solid game plan.

And the last to discuss - how about xr flop and barrel turn on any broadway or diamond?

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by YohanN7
That would be an interesting alternative. Harder to play, but might be better with a good solid game plan.

And the last to discuss - how about xr flop and barrel turn on any broadway or diamond?

If we do this and villain calls our x/r and turn bet and the board is the same, what will we do OTR? Villains range looks very strong. Any blank = we have only TPTK. K = we have trips but full houses are possible. A = we have 2 pair but any J makes a straight. And there is 2 flush draws.

What if we x/r flop, x/f blank turns and x/c any broadway and diamond and then re-evaluate otr?

Doesn't this diminish the power of our flop move?

Originally posted by nitrol
Doesn't this diminish the power of our flop move?

Good question.. I think not completely.

Originally posted by la55i
What if we x/r flop, x/f blank turns and x/c any broadway and diamond and then re-evaluate otr?
I think its a balanced power/awareness of whats going on.
The problem is that maybe we ll have to be prepared to handle good pressure otr w this line when we do call turn.

Nothing to withstand on river actually. If not improved - xf.

When we do call turn w this line la55i mentioned, actually means that we improved there to draws, top pairs, etc. But, we ll actually be facing more pressure often with the made hands we called ott.

It is again very dependent on what card will fall... So we cannot say there will be pressure. It may be and it may not.

And I still want to hear YohanN7's opinion on the last line.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by YohanN7
That would be an interesting alternative. Harder to play, but might be better with a good solid game plan.

And the last to discuss - how about xr flop and barrel turn on any broadway or diamond?

That is certainly a way to play the hand, but it is not the way I personally construct ranges. I mostly chose my bluffs from the lower end of the spectrum, like small FD's here. The rationale is that the payoff is "higher" in a sense if we win with seven high e.g. we have 7♦:6♦: and he folds. He is surely laying down a "better" hand. Then hitting an A or a K is a mixed blessing. Now we have a pair in a big pot OOP. It is usually very hard to win if more bets go in. The effect of all this isn't superclear in this particular hand, but I hope you understand what I mean. I'm not saying x/r is bad, it is just not my personal choice:)

I prefer xc, xc. But still wanted to have s look at all possible scenarios.
10x.

Originally posted by nitrol
It is again very dependent on what card will fall... So we cannot say there will be pressure. It may be and it may not.

I think the majority of players doesnt give a free showdown in position in those situations.

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by YohanN7
That would be an interesting alternative. Harder to play, but might be better with a good solid game plan.

And the last to discuss - how about xr flop and barrel turn on any broadway or diamond?

That is certainly a way to play the hand, but it is not the way I personally construct ranges. I mostly chose my bluffs from the lower end of the spectrum, like small FD's here. The rationale is that the payoff is "higher" in a sense if we win with seven high e.g. we have 7♦:6♦: and he folds. He is surely laying down a "better" hand. Then hitting an A or a K is a mixed blessing. Now we have a pair in a big pot OOP. It is usually very hard to win if more bets go in. The effect of all this isn't superclear in this particular hand, but I hope you understand what I mean. I'm not saying x/r is bad, it is just not my personal choice:)

The line here I think its just a x/c basic game, evaluating every street, since we have no much info overall.