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Overpair in low board, Value bet river?

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Polezi
Joined: 13.08.2009

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $27.27 (272.7 bb) VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 8, F3B 50, AF: 4,0, 4B range 4(5), Cold 4B 0(5) Hands: 291
BB: $8.89 (88.9 bb)
UTG: $19.70 (197 bb) VPIP: 36, PFR: 32, 3B: 17, AF: 0,3, Hands: 25
MP: $18.12 (181.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $12.52 (125.2 bb)
BTN: $17.57 (175.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
UTG raises to $0.35, MP folds, Hero raises to $1, BTN folds, SB calls $0.95, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.45) 4 4 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.17, SB calls $1.17

Turn: ($4.79) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.28, SB calls $2.28

River: ($9.35) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Value bet river?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Why do you 3bet pre?
Of course you should barrel the river- SB has PPs in his range that will call.


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Polezi
Joined: 13.08.2009

Originally posted by nitrol
Why do you 3bet pre?
Of course you should barrel the river- SB has PPs in his range that will call.

Agressive guy OR from EP, for me is a standard raise.


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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

Developing read on a 36/32/17 goose. I'm guessing by now hero has had a chance to see a strange showdown or two from the villain.

The best way to deal with aggro goosey is to widen your value raise range and punish them - very good 3B.

As played the value bet line is getting fairly thin but still playable. I'd take about 1/3rd pot.


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Yes, for sure value bet river


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Jaissica
Developing read on a 36/32/17 goose. I'm guessing by now hero has had a chance to see a strange showdown or two from the villain.

The best way to deal with aggro goosey is to widen your value raise range and punish them - very good 3B.

As played the value bet line is getting fairly thin but still playable. I'd take about 1/3rd pot.

It is a 25 hand sample... and it is rediculous to widen ranges and start pouring money into the pot preflop. :)


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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

Ridiculous not to. Waiting for hundreds of hands to decide you can play back at an 80 VPIPer is as nonsense as saying "can't 3bet QQ in 6H".


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Lol, that's guy a rock, unless his aggressiveness does include him playing passively premium hands, i'd not hesitate in the slightest


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Normally too wide 3bet against UTG for me. Here villains stats implicate that he opens more loose but it is only 25 hands so I would not change my gameplan based on that. When I start a session I can easily have 40/40 stats in 25 hands and if someone starts 3betting me I'm gonna fuck them up. SB looks quite tight but I believe he will 4bet better PPs, you can make a valuebet OTR.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Yes, Polezi. Value bet the river.
Many pocket pairs here ll call and are behind like 66-TT.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Guys, another endless fight if we should 3bet or not?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

For the truth's sake - why not. You just stay away... :)
We all gave our opinons, and me and la55i still think that 25 hands are not enough and as there is not a big gap between vpip/pfr we should not draw conclusions light.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by Afulibador
Guys, another endless fight if we should 3bet or not?

One thing is clear. There is no big gap between vpip and pfr and it is only 25 hands so you can not draw any conclusions, if you do, it is a leak.
So it comes to preference if you want to 3bet JJ vs unknown UTG opener. I advice not to 3bet but you have every right to do so if you want to. :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Agree on that. At the end it is a matter of personal choice.
I am more patient and like to have more info as villain has not shown exaggerated tendencies pteflop.


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