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KK - bat river call

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schelleXL
Joined: 05.05.2011

Hello,

stupid river call
should have c/c there for value of lower sets.

MP+1: $4.00 (VPIP: 5.21, PFR: 2.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)
CO: $10.95 (VPIP: 44.38, PFR: 18.34, 3Bet Preflop: 8.22, Hands: 173)
BTN: $22.52 (VPIP: 19.50, PFR: 11.20, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 976)
Hero (SB): $14.21
BB: $13.81 (VPIP: 16.93, PFR: 13.97, 3Bet Preflop: 5.78, Hands: 820)
UTG: $14.69 (VPIP: 12.21, PFR: 8.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 217)
UTG+1: $9.20 (VPIP: 29.82, PFR: 14.04, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 58)
MP: $4.48 (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K♥ K♦
UTG raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, UTG calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10, 2 players) Q♠ 8♦ 6♠
Hero bets $1.30, UTG calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.70, 2 players) 4♠
Hero bets $2.40, UTG calls $2.40

River: ($9.50, 2 players) K♣
Hero bets $3.00, UTG raises to $9.99 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.51 and is all-in

UTG shows K♠ A♠ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 34%, Flop 47%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows K♥ K♦ (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 66%, Flop 53%, Turn 0%)
UTG wins $27.24


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

I believe villain would have raised sets at some point before river. So, on the river he is left with AQ which is not calling and flushes mostly. And eventually some combo 88 or 66. I doubt he is turning set into bluff otr. You get 22% odds to call after he raises. Even if he turns occasionally some A♠::Qx: (3 combos in totall) into bluff on the river you don't have the odds to bluffcatch. So, otr the bet is debatable and fold after his raise is correct imo.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Odds aren't measured in percentages. There's obviously some article (or something) that uses this terminology because people around here often say things like "I have x% pot odds". This is a nonsense statement in English. Here the odds are 22.01:6.51 (he covers us). They are also not 6.51:22.01 as even many coaches would say. The latter would be six point fifty-one to twenty-two o-one which is upside down.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

"Odds are most commonly expressed as ratios, but converting them to percentages will often make them easier to work with."


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Then they aren't odds any more.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Not many hands that we beat will call your river bet. Flush is also possible. X/C would be safer.

Originally posted by YohanN7
Odds aren't measured in percentages.

Those odds can be converted to percentage. For me it is easier to understand and calculate with % and I see no reason why we couldn't measure odds in %.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by YohanN7
Then they aren't odds any more.

Okay we can call them probabilities.. Same thing.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

No (probabilities of what?), but required equity would be acceptable and even descriptive. The longer version would be required equity for calling of our hand versus villains range as perceived by us.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

With xc we give villain a chance tobluff at us on river. I prefer xc.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

The only hand you basically target here is KQ. A set OTF and OTT from villain wouldn't make much sense, since he would raise these for value and to protect against FDs. A set OTR he most likely would call that one off.
I would x/c this one as well since I would not fold a set of KK here.


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