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Sirsninjsh
Joined: 29.04.2009

$3.30 SPKO Final table 4 left.
Player in SB lost large amount of chips and appeared to be on tilt. Also he had ~$270 bounty. In history he had raised all in with less then 20BB eff. with hands KJo, A4.
Is this call ok or not?

Payout:
1. $1473
2. $1094
3. $773
4. $530

Bounties:
BB: $101
SB: $274
BT: $62

PokerStars - $1.50+$1.50+$0.30|80000/160000 Ante 20000 NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 14.47 BB (VPIP: 49.32, PFR: 42.14, 3Bet Preflop: 13.56, Hands: 155)
BB: 44.23 BB (VPIP: 19.91, PFR: 17.70, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 216)
Hero (CO): 29.72 BB
BTN: 28.99 BB (VPIP: 29.86, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 144)

4 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2 BB) Hero has 2♣ 2♦

Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, SB raises to 14.34 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 12.34 BB

Flop: (30.18 BB, 2 players) 7♥ 2♠ 3♥

Turn: (30.18 BB, 2 players) A♠

River: (30.18 BB, 2 players) J♣

Spoiler

SB shows T♥ T♣ (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 82%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows 2♣ 2♦ (Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 18%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 30.18 BB

Spoiler

I won the tournament. :f_cool:


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011

Yea I would call. With 22 you are fliping, but still have better equity against non paired hand. I think that worst scenario is that you have around 50,4% equity against them. Off-course against PP you are basically dead. But with bounty you increase equity and because of that this is a call. If he will cover you, then I would fold. But now it is call.

GL at tables!


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011

And congrealutions on winning it!! :f_drink: :f_drink:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

He is indeed very aggressive, but even than you are only flipping or worse against his shoving range and with ICM in mind it’s for me a clear fold 4 handed.


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011

Originally posted by SDK1987
He is indeed very aggressive, but even than you are only flipping or worse against his shoving range and with ICM in mind it’s for me a clear fold 4 handed.

Yea ICM wise without bounty in play is suacide. But bounty is prity big here. $270 bounty devided by 2 is $135 for kicking him out. And this is 40BI. Does this not do any difference? I am clearly not experienced in this and even don't know how to take bounty into ICM calculations. So I am really looking forward if you can explain me that.

GL at tables!


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

That could make the different indeed if I would know the paid outs.
If the bounty is a decent amount of the prize pool it would change your decision for sure.


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Sirsninjsh
Joined: 29.04.2009

I added payouts and bounties for players.
I was counting on flip almost every time (because of his wide shoving range) and as mylove190207 mentioned because bounty was so large it was almost a snap call (also after I knocked him out both remaining players was so tight that it was my tournament after that hand). And even if I lose I would have left with decent amount of BBs.
But after tournament I was secound guessing my play thats why I posted that hand.
Btw if that was a regular tournament it would be a snap fold for sure.

P.S.
I would also like to know how to calculate ICM when there is bounties in play.


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Sirsninjsh
Joined: 29.04.2009

Originally posted by mylove190207
And congrealutions on winning it!! :f_drink: :f_drink:

Thanks. :profit:


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011

@Sirsninjsh can you tell me please where do you find exact bountys for hands? I really wanna know that for my analyzes. Thanks!

GL at tables!


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Sirsninjsh
Joined: 29.04.2009

I saved screenshot from the finished tournament lobby and I knocked out all of them so their bounties where exactly the same as they are in lobby next to the names. I don't know any other way (I think poker tracker 4 don't track bounties, when you eliminate someone you get message in chat how much you get and how much is added to your bounty).


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011

Originally posted by Sirsninjsh
I saved screenshot from the finished tournament lobby and I knocked out all of them so their bounties where exactly the same as they are in lobby next to the names.

yea this is the only way unfortunately. Thanks


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by Sirsninjsh
I added payouts and bounties for players.
I was counting on flip almost every time (because of his wide shoving range) and as mylove190207 mentioned because bounty was so large it was almost a snap call (also after I knocked him out both remaining players was so tight that it was my tournament after that hand). And even if I lose I would have left with decent amount of BBs.
But after tournament I was secound guessing my play thats why I posted that hand.
Btw if that was a regular tournament it would be a snap fold for sure.

P.S.
I would also like to know how to calculate ICM when there is bounties in play.

That’s complicated to count ICM with these kinds of bounties in game, but with a bounty of the SB like this I would also gamble with a hand like 22 here.


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Sirsninjsh
Joined: 29.04.2009

SK1987 and mylove190207, thanks for your opinions. Now I'm more confident that I made optimal decision at that spot and didn't made a big mistake. :f_thumbsup:


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