call or not

Why do you donk on the flop?

Villains 3bet stat is 0% over 400 hands? If this is the case, it is a easy fold pre when he 4bets you.
Why do you donk? I would x/c flop.

PF I think its 3bet/fold. if we look at his stats. after 400 hands 0% 3bet and big gap between vpip and pf. Looks like this guy dont like rais pre flop. So his 4bet is QQ+ AK. maybe even just KK+.
On flop. Its check/push.

this player and I have a history, he have forced me out with all-ins before

How often he does that? That player looks weak passive, he might do that only with strong holdings because he doesn't know how to play them properly? Good place to do a exploitative fold

If you had only 100bb stack you could actually call this.. You have overs, nut FD, BDSD. Depending on villains range you have 30-40% equity but I think it is not enough in this situation where we are 355bb deep.

Guys, the vital thing is that we are deep. We should not get into a game of raise- reraise preflop.
Villain has 0 3b and we donk/call SO on flop.
Advice: do not play when tilted. Do not play deepstack. Examine his plays before getting again on 1 table with him.

If he cbet AK I still think its better to check/push then check/call.
12 combos of AK will bet/fold
12 combos of QQ+ will bet/call
and we have 45% EQ vs QQ+
check/call only we gives us troble on turn when we dont hit spade.

Here you are vs AA-KK. What push?...

Originally posted by karbonade123
If he cbet AK I still think its better to check/push then check/call.
12 combos of AK will bet/fold
12 combos of QQ+ will bet/call
and we have 45% EQ vs QQ+
check/call only we gives us troble on turn when we dont hit spade.

Again, villain has 0% 3bet in over 400 hands. When he 4bets, do you expect him to have AK or QQ?

We should call preflop and see what comes.

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by karbonade123
If he cbet AK I still think its better to check/push then check/call.
12 combos of AK will bet/fold
12 combos of QQ+ will bet/call
and we have 45% EQ vs QQ+
check/call only we gives us troble on turn when we dont hit spade.

Again, villain has 0% 3bet in over 400 hands. When he 4bets, do you expect him to have AK or QQ?

400 hands is not a saple thet we can for sure say his ranges is AK QQ+ or KK+. I would't 100% take out QQ and AK out of his range.
Even if he has only KK+ in his range we have 43% EQ and its brake even push. I think there is some combos of QQ or AK. and that is good for me to push here. And we cant count out that guy is fish and somtimes they enad up in spots like this with wierd hands because he maybe just wanted to bluff in this hand.

I personally hate AQ, suited or not. When you get 4bet pre flop, it should be an easy fold.

Hmm, yea maybe. But we are fucked up if villains range is AA. Vs villain who doesn't have a 3bet range, who 4bets, I'm not too happy if we hit Q for example.

Originally posted by karbonade123

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by karbonade123
If he cbet AK I still think its better to check/push then check/call.
12 combos of AK will bet/fold
12 combos of QQ+ will bet/call
and we have 45% EQ vs QQ+
check/call only we gives us troble on turn when we dont hit spade.

Again, villain has 0% 3bet in over 400 hands. When he 4bets, do you expect him to have AK or QQ?

400 hands is not a saple thet we can for sure say his ranges is AK QQ+ or KK+. I would't 100% take out QQ and AK out of his range.
Even if he has only KK+ in his range we have 43% EQ and its brake even push. I think there is some combos of QQ or AK. and that is good for me to push here. And we cant count out that guy is fish and somtimes they enad up in spots like this with wierd hands because he maybe just wanted to bluff in this hand.

Yea right, over 400 hands and villain never faced a situation where he could have 3bet QQ+,AK? Must be a terrible run. We can at least assume that his 3bet range is extremely tight, so what is his 4bet range? AA?

It is a preflop fold. Getting in 13% of stacks preflop OOP this deep with AQs versus nit is suicide. The suitedness counts for little when so much of stacks go in before the flop. Hitting an A or a Q is a potential disaster. He is sure as hell not holding AJ and is probably not stupid enough to lose 350bb with KK.

Yohan put it well, as always. When we call with AQs vs this guy we are not happy to hit Q and even A might be bad for us. We call and hope to hit 2 pair or flush. Doesn't sound so good to me.

Playing deep is totally different game. We cannot get involved in pumping the pot preflop with our hand. We should just call and see a flop.

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by karbonade123

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by karbonade123
If he cbet AK I still think its better to check/push then check/call.
12 combos of AK will bet/fold
12 combos of QQ+ will bet/call
and we have 45% EQ vs QQ+
check/call only we gives us troble on turn when we dont hit spade.

Again, villain has 0% 3bet in over 400 hands. When he 4bets, do you expect him to have AK or QQ?

400 hands is not a saple thet we can for sure say his ranges is AK QQ+ or KK+. I would't 100% take out QQ and AK out of his range.
Even if he has only KK+ in his range we have 43% EQ and its brake even push. I think there is some combos of QQ or AK. and that is good for me to push here. And we cant count out that guy is fish and somtimes they enad up in spots like this with wierd hands because he maybe just wanted to bluff in this hand.

Yea right, over 400 hands and villain never faced a situation where he could have 3bet QQ+,AK? Must be a terrible run. We can at least assume that his 3bet range is extremely tight, so what is his 4bet range? AA?

400 hands are enough to notice that he never 4b....a guy that will defend his ranges would have made a 4 b for such sample. At least 1 time...

Originally posted by nitrol
Playing deep is totally different game. We cannot get involved in pumping the pot preflop with our hand. We should just call and see a flop.

Now I get it, you mean don't 3-bet, right? (3-bet-calling can't possibly be right as I see it.)

Of course. I think we are on the same page here...