NL16 QTs

I think you have levelled yourself and tilted after the loss in the previous hand.
First, give the size of your hand sample.
QTs is a borderline hand. You can call but you can 4b .
Flop is a call and that is it. No more investing after that!

I totally agree with nitrol. Were you tilted?

If villain 3bets you alot you can start 4betting QTs. It is the bottom of my call 3bet range and makes a good 4bet vs some villains.

I want to know your hand sample size.

As you can see from the previous hand, villain can be very passive with nuts. If his cbet % is very low but he is passive with nuts, what does it mean? I would say he doesn't cbet bluff much and he is very much capped. He has good made hands but not nuts here and your hand is not in very good standing against that. When we know this, we could actually make an exploitative fold on the flop.

I don't blame you for calling OTF but what about turn? Better Qx is possible, Kx is possible. You don't even have a draw here. What do you expect to hit OTR. What do you expect him to have?

I think you expect him to barrel as a bluff here. Because he slowplayed top set in one hand he must be betting only as a bluff? I can assure you this is not the case.

Flop cbet stay in 3b pot is 63. He is not passive in 3b pots.
Now, we have a TP hand that can easily be dominated and when the K folds on turn, we should fold.
The river reasoning and call is ridiculous.

Try to open for at least 2,2bb at micro stakes, small gap but makes a big difference. Givin up when K had come won't be a mistake.

Assuming that villain checks monsters and bets trash big is worse than even doing that yourself. You need a very strong read to call on the turn. Villain's preflop stats are pretty normal. Thinking should stop there, if not before. Just fold.

I had almost 600 hand from the villain. No I wasn't tilted come on :f_biggrin:. What hands do you think pushing the river? AA,KK,QQ? other than that? Even if he is 3betting with AQ he won't go AI on the river imo. There are not many KQ on the board and those will often just call preflop. He can have some Kxs which hit a second pair til the river like K8s or K2s. And I would give him one AdKd. If he is cbetting more AK on the flop he can just as well cbet fd-s.
So ott you would fold anything else than a KQ,JTs,KTs,KJs,AJs,ATs? Because If I had a set there I would always raise it otf. So I would fold many cards then like AQ,QJs,QTs,TT,99,JJ. I agree that QTs is rather on the bottom of my range. But can I ask you what would you do here with AQ? Call turn, fold river, or you also fold an AQ?

The question is not which hands he will go all-in on the river with. It is which hands he will doublebarrel in a 3bet pot and when you answer that you find out that you should have folded OTT. OTT he can have QQ,KK,AA,AQ,KQ etcetc.. Anyway it is clear that you might be behind, and probably are behind. What hands he shoves river with? Definitely better hands than midpair semi ok kicker. Why call?

KQ... AK ...

Originally posted by la55i
The question is not which hands he will go all-in on the river with. It is which hands he will doublebarrel in a 3bet pot and when you answer that you find out that you should have folded OTT. OTT he can have QQ,KK,AA,AQ,KQ etcetc.. Anyway it is clear that you might be behind, and probably are behind. What hands he shoves river with? Definitely better hands than midpair semi ok kicker. Why call?

The main point is with Q and K in the board we are totally dominated and calling with weak TP is bad.

Yup. That is the main point.

Glad that you agree.

But still you havent answered which is the weakest hand ott what you call against the cbet

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AdTd.