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NL16 fold best hand against villian's strange move?!

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Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $16 (100 bb)
BB: $14.63 (91.4 bb)
UTG: $16.24 (101.5 bb)
MP: $16 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $28.04 (175.3 bb)
BTN: $16 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 6
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.48, BTN folds, SB raises to $1.60, BB calls $1.44, Hero calls $1.12

Flop: ($4.80) K A 5 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.80) 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.05, SB raises to $6.72, BB folds, Hero raises to $24.74, SB calls $7.68 and is all-in

River: ($33.60) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$33.60 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: K A 5 6 J
SB showed A A and won $32.10 ($16.10 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$1.60 net)
Hero showed 6 6 and lost (-$16.00 net)

Hi everyone

I am not sure if I had a more disgusting hand in the last month :)

So I assume everything is ok til the flop. Villian is a 26/23/8.5 player with almost 600 hands. BB is a 51/2 fish. SB's 3bet is 8% from SB and also 8% against BTN. In this situation it will be tighter however, because of the fish.

Flop was a standard xb. I wanted to give up this hand, or just go to sd without calling any bets.

Ott I made a standard value bet because i hit my set. And then villian made this stupid x/minr. His cbet was 34%, but in 3bet pots 63%. Aggression was 26,33,41%.
So basically we have the best hand. Well in our range at least, cause we won't have KK or AA. This x/minr is definetely not a bluff, the question is how many worse value hands can he have? AK maybe, 55 is just calling pre because of the fish, maybe some QTs or QJs or JTs. Because I have already invested some money into the pot I didnt want to fold, but now I am not that sure about that call. Even if I wont have any better hand in this situation.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

I think I would go for bluffcatching. We cannot know for sure whether SB is incredibly weak or strong (polarized most probably). In mw pot we cannot know for sure whether we have the best hand with bottom set.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What bluffcatching with 2 draws on the board OTT?


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

I would not take aggression here but just x OTT and call off small bets.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Originally posted by Hesticus
I would not take aggression here but just x OTT and call off small bets.

What? No. Never.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Well played imo. You could not just start folding and bluffcatching with sets in 3bet pots. Villain could have had also 7♣:8♣: or other hand with good equity from which we want to get max value on the turn.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Hesticus
I would not take aggression here but just x OTT and call off small bets.

You are mw , you have a set, there are draws and cards that will kill the action and you prefer to check? This is a pure suicide, man.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

So a bet in this situation is better? Would you have shoved here as well?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

This hand was well played imo. This was just a cooler.
When we hit OTT we can't play it passively when there is 2 draws.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by Hesticus
So a bet in this situation is better? Would you have shoved here as well?

Yes I would go broke. I definitely do not expect villain to check his top set twice = we should have the nuts here and play vs draws. We can happily go all-in vs draws.


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scopinad
Joined: 13.06.2015

Well played post flop. Luckily, position aided you and flop was checked around allowing you to hit your set on the turn. Afterwards you always go for stacks, even if raised, you have outs to quads and a full house and set against set is super rare. You fold a set on the river against 2 players if draws complete, usually. Cooler.

Pre-flop, what is the plan? Setmining? We are IP but we will not flop anything 80% of the time, apart from a set again. Fold, 4bet/fold? Thoughts?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Without using a calculator I would say we have the odds to call (only to setmine) because BB called too. Correct me if I'm wrong.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Hesticus
So a bet in this situation is better? Would you have shoved here as well?

Not only a bet but bet/shove.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by la55i
This hand was well played imo. This was just a cooler.
When we hit OTT we can't play it passively when there is 2 draws.

Yes, this is the case. If we are not betting, Our preflop call them is wrong.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by la55i
Without using a calculator I would say we have the odds to call (only to setmine) because BB called too. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it is of personal matter. I would call here.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Don't worry too much about going broke with sets unless the board is really awfult.


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DREAMC4T
Joined: 13.10.2009

Call pre is fine when fish is in the pot. Otherwise folding 66 should be your standard 100bb deep. Standard xb/give up flop, yeah, don't want to try to get fancy on these limits. When facing the min raise I'd just call and call any river shuv except maybe a King. Allow him to bluff, you never know what's in someones head on these limits. When he's minraising here his range is mostly AK, KK, AA, so we'll get in the money anyways. On a king river he'd probably slow down with a hand like AQ/AJ that he might have decided he needs to protect or whatever OTT (micro stakes, right?) so calling turn and maybe once in a blue moon consider folding a king river or just call/shove any other. Assuming played as it is and saying he'll have just AK, KK, AA it's still a snap-super-happy-call. 6 combos AA/KK and 9 combos AK. 66 has 55.45% equity against this range.


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His move was awful and not the board :f_biggrin: Otherwise I would have showed the river if he had called, or I would have called if he had shoved the turn. But this x/minr was very suspicious. But if he is so stupid to x twice when there is a big fish in the pot I did't really mind to go broke


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Villain is hoping someone of you to start betting . Nothing wrong with that.
You played it well.


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scopinad
Joined: 13.06.2015

Yes, well played. I hope you catch the case 6 next time you meet him in the same spot :-))


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