JJ pre fold

I would flat here. Imo this hand is not strong enough to cold 4bet. Vs that 5 bet you have to fold. I think villains range is KK+.

Too small sample to say what villain has. Both plays are possible.

This is ok as played. You don't need to defend JJ against villains 5bet so fold.

just fold to the 3b? as played life sucks ofc

I think flatting is better. JJ might be still ahead of SB's 3bet range and if CO calls too this becomes a profitable set mine? If he doesn't call we have at least position.

the main problem in this spot is getting 4bet, and if the 3bettor is tight that's worse for you, of course. it's a super small sample but both players seem tight, SB still has 0% 3bet so i'd expect his range to at the very least not be over 10%, and CO will probably 4bet over 10%

That 4bet % sounds a bit big but you might be right. It is not wrong to fold here.

that's not 4bet range, but rather 4bet% (which is what matters in this spot). if he opens 25% there, 10% 4bet just means he's 4betting a 2.5% range (like QQ+ AK), which isn't big at all

Okay now I see what you meant. I'm not 100% sure if we have to care about that too much if it happens only 1 in 10 but it might make it -EV.

Originally posted by la55i
I think flatting is better. JJ might be still ahead of SB's 3bet range and if CO calls too this becomes a profitable set mine? If he doesn't call we have at least position.

As I think a bit deeper, calling is not that good. If the initial opener 4b we are in a sandwich position.

Originally posted by Tomaloc
the main problem in this spot is getting 4bet, and if the 3bettor is tight that's worse for you, of course. it's a super small sample but both players seem tight, SB still has 0% 3bet so i'd expect his range to at the very least not be over 10%, and CO will probably 4bet over 10%

10% 4b if as a range is huuuuge.
If not, it is a normal value range. But we have to take into account that he may sometimes defend as a bluff. We do not know what history they both have between themselves.

I like it as played better. We put pressure this way.

Originally posted by nitrol
I like it as played better. We put pressure this way.

I agree with this. I don't like calling here.

Also if we call in this spot our range is capped and villains can apply pressure to us. 4b/fold is better.

Yes. We should avoid beeing in a sandwich and having to fold under pressure.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by la55i
I think flatting is better. JJ might be still ahead of SB's 3bet range and if CO calls too this becomes a profitable set mine? If he doesn't call we have at least position.

As I think a bit deeper, calling is not that good. If the initial opener 4b we are in a sandwich position.

It would be profitable set mine if CO called and if we don't hit we can fold OTF. Doesn't matter if we are in a sandwich. But I agree that it is a little problematic. Folding here is totally fine.

Originally posted by nitrol
I like it as played better. We put pressure this way.

I'm not sure if I like that cold 4bet. Both guys seem tight and SB's 3bet is still 0%.

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by la55i
I think flatting is better. JJ might be still ahead of SB's 3bet range and if CO calls too this becomes a profitable set mine? If he doesn't call we have at least position.

As I think a bit deeper, calling is not that good. If the initial opener 4b we are in a sandwich position.

It would be profitable set mine if CO called and if we don't hit we can fold OTF. Doesn't matter if we are in a sandwich. But I agree that it is a little problematic. Folding here is totally fine.

If it is problematic to call , then 4b or fold are the options.

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by nitrol
I like it as played better. We put pressure this way.

I'm not sure if I like that cold 4bet. Both guys seem tight and SB's 3bet is still 0%.

We do not have a legit sample ... I prefer to put pressure. Tight villains hate pressure and will fold a lot.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by la55i
I think flatting is better. JJ might be still ahead of SB's 3bet range and if CO calls too this becomes a profitable set mine? If he doesn't call we have at least position.

As I think a bit deeper, calling is not that good. If the initial opener 4b we are in a sandwich position.

It would be profitable set mine if CO called and if we don't hit we can fold OTF. Doesn't matter if we are in a sandwich. But I agree that it is a little problematic. Folding here is totally fine.

If it is problematic to call , then 4b or fold are the options.

Okay then. 4bet or fold is good. We could flip a coin and decide.