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3$ QJs flush in 3bet pot

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InezMuchez
Joined: 10.11.2011

SB: 3,404 (56.7 bb)
BB: 2,994 (49.9 bb)
UTG: 1,870 (31.2 bb)
MP: 6,467 (107.8 bb)
Hero (CO): 7,367 (122.8 bb)
BTN: 1,715 (28.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J♦: Q♦:
2 folds, Hero raises to 148, BTN folds, SB raises to 420, BB folds, Hero calls 272

Flop: (942) T♦: 6♦: 9♦: (2 players)
SB bets 401, Hero raises to 1,120, SB folds

Hello everyone!

Overall info about SB:

27/17, 11,6 3bet, 102 hands
3bet SB 3 out of 10 times

As we can see, SB was quite active, that's the reason I called his raise.

On this flop, I didn't want any diamond, 7 or eight to ruin the action, so I wanted to raise right away, that way he can push all his made hands and hopefully his big draws.

Would you prefer this line, or rather just call and let him attempt to bluff me off, as a decent amount of time I'm calling with a big diamond and he's having a good amount of bluffs based on his preflop action.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

The problem with raising the flop is that he needs to have a set+ hand or A high flush draw to continue this hand. He has a big 3bet% and I expect you will get more value with slow playing this hand.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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InezMuchez
Joined: 10.11.2011

Yeah I was thinking about that, but what would he cbet here? I mean hands without zero EQ, hands like KJs with 4 not-always-clean outs?


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lila28
Joined: 31.05.2013

I think it pretty close and player dependent.

Here with raise problem is we narrow opponent range too much (% of range relative to full range) - might have unwanted fold equity too much. By calling we look weaker and he might cap us to non flush hands in next streets, and he might feel fine with top pair hands in future action and pay off some more by doing check/call, bet small again next streets or similar, if we raise we don't get much hands to continue/improve.
Sometime we get player snowball off his stack with random hand what is obv. good for us.
There is people who overcbet 3bet pots because they just think they have to stay aggressive now after they made 3bet.
Vs weaker player and/or tighter 3bet range raising flop might be more viable because wider range (% of range relative to full range) will continue.

Also i think pot size even after calling flop bet is good enough for us get in stacks by river anyway pretty easy, being IP helps with that also (would be more inclined to raise this hand being OOP as might give 2 free cards if opponent not bet turn (sometimes call+donk turn probably is fine, but to just make example for positions let assume we c/c oop and check turn and there is chance we gave opponent 2 cards for 401 what is pretty bad scenario), but here being IP we can always charge opponent if he don't put money in himself first on turn). It not like we have to raise now for us being able setup all-in by river, situation what you might find being 100bb+ deep.


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InezMuchez
Joined: 10.11.2011

I didn't think about overcbetting, thank for both of you for highlighting that out.

I think another possible reason for raising is that if I raise a flush there, I can also semi bluff with a big diamond. Does that justify a raise here?


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lila28
Joined: 31.05.2013

Originally posted by InezMuchez
I didn't think about overcbetting, thank for both of you for highlighting that out.

I think another possible reason for raising is that if I raise a flush there, I can also semi bluff with a big diamond. Does that justify a raise here?

IMO you can just semibluff big diamond and call flush if you want in 3$ game. Don't think playing this low you need worried about being exploitable/Unbalanced with raising/calling range here, good chance opponent don't hand read anything.


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InezMuchez
Joined: 10.11.2011

Thank you lila28, this is one of my issues, fearing that faceup play would be obvious.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

I'd def just call and let him spaz off more chips bluffing


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