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AK turned TP in 3b pot vs xx xr

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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 165.8 BB
SB: 104 BB
BB: 104.4 BB
UTG: 351.2 BB
MP: 139.2 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♦ K♠

UTG raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 5.6 BB

Flop: (17.4 BB, 2 players) J♥ 8♠ T♥
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (17.4 BB, 2 players) A♠
UTG checks, Hero bets 8.4 BB, UTG raises to 25 BB, Hero calls 16.6 BB

River: (67.4 BB, 2 players) 3♦
UTG bets 318.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 67 BB and is all-in

Spoiler

UTG shows Q♦ K♥ (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 25%, Flop 30%, Turn 97%)
Hero shows A♦ K♠ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 75%, Flop 70%, Turn 3%)
UTG wins 193 BB

unkown reg

Flop no cbet because do not expect much folds, he can have JJ, AK, AQ, QQ.

TUrn - he checks again, so he looked weak, and after he raises was not sure. THis line does not make sense, cause if he has something he bets turn. Or is it making sense to play strong hand picked on turn with this line?


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I don't mind checking the flop back for the reasons you mentioned. I wouldn't hate a cbet with GS and two overs, though. Turn delayed cbet is fine imo, but I'm not sure calling vs a raise is the best. He could have alot of better hands imo, like AJ, KQ, JJ, TT. Not sure if AQ is check/raising. As played, I think river is a fold.


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

He could have alot of better hands imo, like AJ, KQ, JJ, TT.

is this good to check like he those strong hands on turn?


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Mandator
Joined: 02.02.2008

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c

He could have alot of better hands imo, like AJ, KQ, JJ, TT.

is this good to check like he those strong hands on turn?

Sometimes, depends mainly what kind of villain are you facing, against an aggro one I x/r at least 80% of the time, and vice-versa against a passive one.

On the other hand, with that A♠: OTT we can balance between leading and x/raising because that card impacts 3bettor range strongly following what I saide before.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

Overshove river at micro it is always nuts - fold. Utg opens strong range. There is no sence - only nuts.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Fold on turn with less than top 2p.
All those hands are possible as villain may be a fish or scared...


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I usually won't 3bet AKo vs UTG but I guess it is ok.
OTF checking is fine.
OTT we can consider folding.
OTR I don't lke your call. Villain has a strong range too. He has sets, straights and 2 pair hands here. Only Ax you beat is AQ and I think he wouldn't play it like this. To me it looks like you are behind here.


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robin261187
Joined: 04.01.2011

I also wouldn't 3b this hand pre flop, but I think you can do it.

On the flop I would cb with over cards and gutshot and barrel the turn with top pair.

When he raises turn, I would fold.

In the river it's definitely a fold vs this sizing.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Another variant is to check back turn as well. Then you could see river if he fires a reasonable bet. But not as played, you are almost always beat. If I bet turn, it is my last effort.


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

I guess I start to see where I am burning money and having low winrate on NL5 :) so hardly stealing and building bit by bit. And then those huge pots lost often.

For some reason I was thinking - its 3bet pot so top pair is the nuts. But it turns out in many examples that its not the nuts.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
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For some reason I was thinking - its 3bet pot so top pair is the nuts. But it turns out in many examples that its not the nuts.

It would be close to nuts on a 8♣:2♠:6♦:A♥: board. This here is extremely different. It is very worthwhile to really try to see what the flop texture could do to your opponent considering his range:)


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
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For some reason I was thinking - its 3bet pot so top pair is the nuts. But it turns out in many examples that its not the nuts.

It would be close to nuts on a 8♣:2♠:6♦:A♥: board. This here is extremely different. It is very worthwhile to really try to see what the flop texture could do to your opponent considering his range:)

can you explain more? Your texture is different by this:
there is no striaghs completed, but Q9 is not calling preflop anyway.
there is no JJ - that is possible that he has it. Also AJ, but I am not sure how often people call AJ preflop here. I myself dont.

Plus some people I guess call 66 for setmine. JJ is more likely, but 66 is also possible.

So if there is 1 broadway its close, but if there are 2 broadways, then it is not nuts anymore?

OH, had forgot the result and just cheked - even KQo is possible :) so the AJ is definitley possible :) But this is probably exceptional player, not the default :)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

KQ is in villains range, there is also some sets and AJ,AT might be in his range too. Those are a bit loose calls for me from UTG but I would call at least AJs from MP. So if villain is a bit loose he can have those. There are a lot more combos that beat you than those you beat.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

I would just call preflop.
Turn is a fold.


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