KQ 4 bet pre flop

Pre flop your hand makes a decent 4bet bluff but your 4bet sizing is on the bigger side. I usually keep 4bet sizing at 2.2x.

He calls your 4bet with his value 3bet range, maybe a bit tighter than that. So his range should be around QQ+,AQo+,AJs+ and maybe 1/2 JJ. That would be 57 combos total. On the flop I think he will call with those pairs and AKs with BDFD, maybe sometimes wider. That would be around 24 combos. That means he calls roughly 40% of his range on the flop. This means that your bet OTF is around break even.

Since this was a bluff pre flop and he called I would give up postflop. Even if you hit on a later street it might lead to huge mistakes with this hand. Betting shouldn't be very bad since you will break even on the long run (maybe) but you have to remember that this is one and done. If he calls and you hit a king on the turn, he probably has KK or AK and you will end up losing your stack

you are opening 8 bb and he 3bets 3x. So his stats are irelevant. Unless you have real info that he 3bets light with such sizings.

Or is it smth wrong with hand history, cause this:

$0.02/$0.02

looks suspitious.

If its NL4 then it might be ok, only thing that you are in MP, so he undestands that your range is tighter and might 3bet tighers.

After he calls big 4bet, I am not cbeting because I believe he has lot of overpairs like QQ, JJ
And I myself 4bet bit more than 2x.

I am not sure about cbet size. On dry boards its ok to bet 1/3. I guess this is dry enough, cause he mostly has high cards, so he has overpair or miss the board.

If he calls and you hit a king on the turn, he probably has KK or AK and you will end up losing your stack
or maybe we trust him and x/f ?:)

It´s NL4, guess some bug happened, sry.

I think that we should not turn a plus EV prefop move into a minus EV postflop one.
Not investing more.

Not a fan of the sizing, but minus all of that it's fine. 100 bbs deep I hate it. This deep though I think he'll still be calling a lot of hands you can fold out on that flop.

Thanks guys. To la55i, would he really call with AK? I mean, I seem quite strong myself, and by that Cbet, he can´t hope in anything better but split, can he? Call OTF I mean.

I fold pre kqo after open 8x

Originally posted by pisiattu
I fold pre kqo after open 8x

Originally posted by Mozzek
It´s NL4, guess some bug happened, sry.

It is a 4x open...

Whatever works for you man, but KQo MP open is a fold against a 3bet from the BTN even at higher stakes I think.

i fold pre after 3bet too, 300x deep oops KQo, 100x you can 4bet fold, but with this deepish you often receive call and your hand is dominated, as played imho is speawy cbet in this board

Originally posted by Mozzek
Thanks guys. To la55i, would he really call with AK? I mean, I seem quite strong myself, and by that Cbet, he can´t hope in anything better but split, can he? Call OTF I mean.

Well you can play like this with QQ or KK so he still has some outs. And he has backdoor flush and straight draw. And because you play your bluffs this way he has to defend some % of his range OTF. It is possible that he calls with AK but I counted only 3 combos of AK instead of 16 possible combos.

Originally posted by pisiattu
i fold pre after 3bet too, 300x deep oops KQo, 100x you can 4bet fold, but with this deepish you often receive call and your hand is dominated, as played imho is speawy cbet in this board

I think when we are deep villain can 3bet us more. This hand is a standard 4bet bluff for me. Maybe we can flat wider when we are deep but I think folding is slightly too tight and we might end up folding too much vs 3bets.

AQo KQs KJs A9s baby suited aces, I do not have KQo in my 4bet bluff range. Luckily for hero in this spot villain completely missed the flop.

I think when we are deep villain can 3bet us more.

interesting. I guess its only when villain is in position, right?

I'm not sure he will increase his 3bet. But when we are deep he has more room to maneuver and with speculative hands he has a lot more implieds. I wouldn't start opening wide but against villain who is deep also I would flat wider, so yea I think it happens mostly in position.

What I think he should do here is at least increase his flatting range. If he calls suited connectors as a standard now he could start calling one gappers. If he wants to keep his 3betting frequency he should expand his 3bet range.

300x deep oop is sick play KQo in 4bet pot imho, but if oppo fold enough pre o post is ok

Originally posted by pisiattu
300x deep oop is sick play KQo in 4bet pot imho, but if oppo fold enough pre o post is ok

It´s NL4, you need to half amount BB. I don´t know why did it copy wrong, sorry for confusion.

If you bet a flop you obviously missed, then you probably cannot count on it being profitable. Against some perhaps, but not against the average player. On the other hand, this is pretty much the very bottom of your range (king high) on this board, so I can't totally fault you. It depends on your total 4-bet range whether you can give it a try here. Betting here only with big pairs has its own problems, but this can probably be ignored unless you play with the same dudes day in and day out.