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How to play against 4bets with AK?

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BelligerentBird
Joined: 08.08.2016

PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 111.5 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
MP+1: 104 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 21.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
MP+2: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.41, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
CO: 166 BB (VPIP: 14.16, PFR: 9.56, 3Bet Preflop: 2.12, Hands: 922)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 81.5 BB (VPIP: 8.71, PFR: 6.14, 3Bet Preflop: 1.22, Hands: 514)
BB: 44 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 10.77, 3Bet Preflop: 4.41, Hands: 199)
UTG: 136.5 BB (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
UTG+1: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 9.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 86)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ A♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 21.5 BB, fold

Hello guys! This hand is just an example of facing 4bet, but I would like to ask you a few questions on this topic.
Sometimes I'm facing situations like this vs maniacs and I have autonotes from PT4 on them about some weird hands in their 4bet range (for example K6s). I don't have enough of stats to make some conclusions about the frequency of 4-betting, only one particular case of 4-betting with weird hand. Does it mean that I can profitably 5bet shove in these spots? How do you play hands like this?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I think that you can shove with your hand.
You should have a plan for the hand even before clicking any button. In this case of you 3b, you should go all the way.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

AK in position is often good to just flat the open raise vs such an EP open. The guy has 7% PFR so far and its best to keep his range wider with deeper stacks IP.
With the 3bet approach - just fold vs this guy. Hes probably never 4betting worse than a flip or AK. He doesnt look like a maniac by the stats...
3betting gets value only if you either get called or raised alot with worse. Im not sure you will be here.


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

With 58 hand and oppo 22/6 i call only pteflop, as played i call vs 4bet but i understand your fold


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

The hand sample is too small to base decision on that. Play it as you are vs unknown.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

VS EP open it would be ok just to call pre flop with AK but here villain opens from HJ. The hand sample is quite small to accurately say what his PFR will be after couple of hundred hands. I think 3betting is good.
Against unknown villain I think you can go ahead and shove this hand vs 4bet. You still have some fold equity and if he calls you have to win the pot 45% of the times to break even, which I think is close at least.
Calling his 4bet is and option too but it has some problems. We don't have that fold equity in case villain has a bluff 4bet and he might outplay us postflop. And the result is often going to be the same: if the board is K high and you have TPTK, are you folding at any point? If you hit AK on the flop villain still has AA and KK in his range but you are not folding.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Originally posted by BelligerentBird

Hello guys! This hand is just an example of facing 4bet, but I would like to ask you a few questions on this topic.
Sometimes I'm facing situations like this vs maniacs and I have autonotes from PT4 on them about some weird hands in their 4bet range (for example K6s). I don't have enough of stats to make some conclusions about the frequency of 4-betting, only one particular case of 4-betting with weird hand. Does it mean that I can profitably 5bet shove in these spots? How do you play hands like this?

Given the read you even should 5bet.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

After 58 hands you can be somewhat sure he is nitty with preflop opens. Not totally sure, so don't bet your life on it, but I'd bet a lunch on him being nitty rather than loosey-goosey. Not unknown in other words. He opens from third position, and he doesn't have trash. So much for the hand reading. Then I don't know what to do.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If you do not know, treat him as unknown. :)


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I know what you mean and you know what I mean. 0 < 58 < 1000.


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Mandator
Joined: 02.02.2008

You can call preflop, 3bet pf, but you cannot 3bet to fold a 4bet with such a strong hand. As Nitrol said, you must have a plan before making any action.


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

Originally posted by la55i
VS EP open it would be ok just to call pre flop with AK but here villain opens from HJ. The hand sample is quite small to accurately say what his PFR will be after couple of hundred hands. I think 3betting is good.
Against unknown villain I think you can go ahead and shove this hand vs 4bet. You still have some fold equity and if he calls you have to win the pot 45% of the times to break even, which I think is close at least.
Calling his 4bet is and option too but it has some problems. We don't have that fold equity in case villain has a bluff 4bet and he might outplay us postflop. And the result is often going to be the same: if the board is K high and you have TPTK, are you folding at any point? If you hit AK on the flop villain still has AA and KK in his range but you are not folding.

Ehen hero call his 4bet he dominate his 4bet-bluff ang he has equity vs his 4bet for value, shove in bluff ak vs mp can be a a optioz but imho it isn t the best moovebin this spot.

Always if he 4bet/broke qq and ak


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