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Fold KK preflop?

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kukasi
Joined: 17.09.2008

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 174.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 99.5 BB
Hero (BB): 109 BB
UTG: 144.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG+1: 98.6 BB
MP: 176.4 BB (VPIP: 11.46, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 98)
MP+1: 80.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP+2: 473.9 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
CO: 61.7 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ K♥

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, MP+1 calls 9 BB, CO raises to 32 BB, Hero raises to 109 BB and is all-in, MP+1 calls 68.2 BB and is all-in, CO calls 29.7 BB and is all-in

I just analyzed this hand.
I guess it is okay here to go broke with Kings.
But then I was thinking with what hands would CO first call and then again raise without going allin. From his position wouldn't he just 3b with TT, JJ, QQ, AQ, AK? If he would have slowplayed QQ, JJ or Aks, he could just call or aggressively go allin.
When he calls and then raises (without allin), he most likely slowplayed AA or KK. With 6 combos of AA and one of KK, is this a spot to fold KK?


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Malendes
Joined: 03.04.2011

Tricky spot here but i would shove aswell. CO is sitting with a stack of 60 BBs, meaning that if we count his raise as an allin, then we are approx. calling 50 BBs to win 85 BBs (with the chance of another player going in aswell ofcause). It is not like we have invested so much that we couldn't fold here, but I would specially expect people playing with <100 BB stacks, to play some of their semi good hands like this. I would expect regs to auto reload to 100 BBs. He will have AA some time, but if my stack-read is correct then he will do it with worse hands aswell I guess and we are getting almost 2:1.


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Konkronus
Joined: 23.03.2015

I am pretty confident folding is a mistake here, especially with the promotion running right now (when NL10 is full of spewtards). I played quite a similar hand today and called AI with the AQo in this spot:

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 66.4 BB
SB: 42.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 74.1 BB (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
MP: 249.1 BB (VPIP: 19.00, PFR: 18.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 101)
CO: 141.4 BB (VPIP: 38.24, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 37)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ Q♦

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 13 BB, CO calls 10 BB, BTN raises to 66.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 53.4 BB, fold

Flop: (146.3 BB, 2 players) 8♦ 4♣ 7♥

Turn: (146.3 BB, 2 players) K♠

River: (146.3 BB, 2 players) 2♠

Hero shows A♣ Q♦ (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 45%, Flop 24%, Turn 14%)
BTN shows 9♦ 9♥ (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 55%, Flop 76%, Turn 86%)
BTN wins 139.7 BB

That's how confident I am, even though I lost the hand, folding would have been a mistake :)


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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

Indeed if CO had 100BB++ stack i would worry more. But here it coulde be a fish who just try to play funky game (fancy syndroom play) or plays he is AK that way. So more chance you have him and even if he has AA you still have 20%, you are not drawing dead.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Don´t fold kings, unless you are strongly convinced you are facing KK.


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Malendes
Joined: 03.04.2011

Originally posted by Mozzek
Don´t fold kings, unless you are strongly convinced you are facing KK.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Originally posted by Malendes

Originally posted by Mozzek
Don´t fold kings, unless you are strongly convinced you are facing KK.

Haha, sure, you don´t want just give away a rake and the split the pot . Of course I meant AA. Thanks for notice.


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