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[$3.5 SNG 18 MAN] Nutflush vs. River shove on a paired board

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Shin1019
Joined: 06.07.2016

Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (40/80 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): 3,984 (49.8 bb)
BB: 808 (10.1 bb)
MP1: 1,320 (16.5 bb)
MP2: 1,894 (23.7 bb)
MP3: 642 (8 bb)
CO: 1,648 (20.6 bb)
BTN: 1,710 (21.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K♣: Q♣:
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to 240, 2 folds, BTN calls 240, Hero calls 200, BB folds

Flop: (870) A♣: J♥: J♣: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, BTN checks

Turn: (870) K♥: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets 240, BTN folds, Hero calls 240

River: (1,350) 7♣: (2 players)
Hero bets 545, MP2 raises to 1,404 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

2,440 pot
Final Board: A♣: J♥: J♣: K♥: 7♣:
Hero mucked K♣: Q♣: and lost (-1,035 net)
MP2 mucked and won 2,440 (1,405 net)

A vilion is a recreational player, and I don't have much stat of him.

In the previous hand with him, I took a pot with river leading vs. his open raise, which could influence him to overvalue his hand this time as my river bet looks bluffy

If he shove with his QT(stright) or trips, I am much favorite as there are only 7 combos for full house and four of a kind.

Would you fold here?


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

You have to win 27% to show a profit.
AA - 3 combos
KK - 1 combo
JJ - 1 combo
AJ - 3
probably KJ but not sure if he checks trips OTF so lets say 2 instead of 3.
You lose to 10 combos.
Only 9♣:8♣:, T♣:9♣:, T♣:8♣: breaks you even. When you throw in an overplayed straight or random bluff I think you have a call.
But its by no means a clear call, I believe your fold is good! :)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would most likely check/shove the river most of the time in this situation. That way you keep is range wider and I think he will still call with worse as well. As played I would most likely call with so much chips invested and he can easy have a worse hand that he shoves with. Especially recreational players overplaying hands often.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Was he always 3X? It might be a clue he has a big pair, JJ & KK fits in perfectly with how he played the hand. Would he 3X with QT or 2 :club: s?
After the flop is checked round I would bet the turn, but that may not be the best thing to do against 2 opponents
OTR after betting I think you have to call, but the more I look at it his small bet OTT looks very inducy and I think I've changed my mind to a b/f


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nutural
Joined: 21.09.2011

:f_ugly: :f_ugly: :f_ugly:

i totally understand the b/f on river, but I would challenge myself - then why we call on Turn? We call, our Flush came and ... we bet/fold?

Given his (and ours) stack size, the Turn call and the River Bet is committing us - we need to add 900 chips and we have already invested 1000ish.

and most importantly
since you say he is a fellow recreational player / what do you think he is putting you on based on how you have played the hand until the river?
From SB (normally wide range) we Call/Check/Call/Donk Bet ...

:f_ugly: :f_ugly: :f_ugly:

But again... not a huge revelation - what would make it or break it for me would be stats on villain, our stats and any weird table dynamics on previous hands.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Originally posted by nutural
:f_ugly: :f_ugly: :f_ugly:

i totally understand the b/f on river, but I would challenge myself - then why we call on Turn? We call, our Flush came and ... we bet/fold?

That is a very good point, but
Hes a rec so he could still call a river bet with a J, or a straight or worse flush
OTT I dont think you can fold to such a small bet with 2nd pair and NFD though


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Shin1019
Joined: 06.07.2016

@slippyjim,
I don't have much hands with him.
But I saw he 3X in the other hand as well. So I don't have a clue OTF.
Yeah, OTT, it looks very polarized, and I think a standard play could be check-call vs. polarized range.
But, I lead as a recreational player did not bluff enough with weak holdings, and faced a sudden raise.

I think my decision was wrong mathematically, but my intuition told me to save some chips. I am not sure though


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stevegold87
Joined: 18.06.2009

I didn't read other comments to not influence my answer.
I think I would play it the same way as you but call on that min raise on hte river
I didn't over analyse it tho,
interesting hand indeed.


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