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Catonthemat
Joined: 01.08.2016

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $3.02 (151 bb)
SB: $5.47 (273.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $5.51 (275.5 bb)
UTG: $6.67 (333.5 bb)
MP: $2.41 (120.5 bb)
CO: $2.42 (121 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5♥: 5♣:
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.06, CO folds, BTN calls $0.06, SB folds, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.19) 8♣: 5♦: 9♠: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.14, BTN raises to $0.49, Hero ?,

My thoughts where a)Yay I hit at set lets go!, then b)I hope this isn't a set over set situation.
I think I am always checking to see if someone stabs. Then wasn't sure if I should:
Fold - Just in case of set over set with the raise.
Call - and see what happens on the turn.
Rip it in - Go with my feeling that I am ahead and get all the dollars in whilst ahead

Thoughts?

Also opening/calling with low pocket pairs for set mining? I've seen bits saying that playing them for set mining isnt +EV, but not sure if that is truer at higher stakes as they seem to do pretty well in NL2


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Opening and calling small pairs pre to setmine is ok.
When you hit a set OTF you usually want to go broke there. On some very dry boards you can slowplay.
Set vs set happens sometimes but you shouldn't worry about that too much. You will see plenty of overpairs and 2 pair also, and sometimes you will win with a higher set.


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AgapieGheorghe
Joined: 10.07.2011

I've seen bits saying that playing them for set mining isnt +EV, but not sure if that is true at higher stakes as they seem to do pretty well in NL2

This is a great spot to call with your pocket pair vs 2 players. First that you have a good price in the BB and second you are in a multiway pot, if you hit your set you have more chances to get some action.

I can asure you that players at NL10-NL25 will also call any pocket pair is not something you can do only on NL2.

On the flop I will just shove with the set. If the BU has 88 or 99 good for him :f_thumbsup:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

The setmine is perfectly ok. The more people you play against,the more your implied odds.
When you hit your set-you just go broke. Set vs set is a rare situation. Not impossible but rare.


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Catonthemat
Joined: 01.08.2016

Glad people agreeing. That is what I did and he had 98o. Snowie said that it was wrong and the difference was 8.3 bb, but I just can't see how? Unless it is against more aware players that are unlikely to get caught by a set. Think going to be taking any suggestions with a pinch of salt :f_biggrin:


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Snowie tells you how you should play vs optimal villains. It will help you develop your game theory thinking but when you play at the micros you have to make some adjustments and think about your villain.
I put this hand into Snowie and for me it tells that raising is only veeery little -EV. For me the difference wasn't 8bb, it was 0.2bb.

Snowie would actually raise with 88,99 and 89. It can't put BTN on a range because there are no hands Snowie would play the same way. When we think about it, BTN doesn't have a good reason to raise anything in this spot. His nuts are not so vulnerable and giving some rope to his villains to hang themselves might be more profitable than raising. He doesn't have bluffs with very good equity and calling when multiway might be better.

However, we know that we will see 2pair hands and overpairs quite often so we can adjust and raise our bottom set for value.


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Catonthemat
Joined: 01.08.2016

Originally posted by la55i
I put this hand into Snowie and for me it tells that raising is only veeery little -EV. For me the difference wasn't 8bb, it was 0.2bb.

Maybe I have put it in wrong :f_mad: will try again later.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

The most important is not to worry and to get it in with a set.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by la55i
Snowie tells you how you should play vs optimal villains.
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Exactly. But there aren't any optimal villains (and Snowie isn't playing GTO either - even if it were to claim so).

Here we are 150 bb deep with villain and going broke automatically without thinking with bottom set on a straight-board three-handed is no good. That said, I'd go broke, but I'd think first.


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