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KK vs AA 150 deep

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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

My question is. Is it fundamentally incorrect to call the 4bet preflop with KK when you are 150 deep, should i be folding.

Hero (SB): $34.96 (349.6 bb)
BB: $9.03 (90.3 bb)
UTG: $6.08 (60.8 bb)
MP: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
CO: $14.93 (149.3 bb)
BTN: $13.58 (135.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K♠: K♥:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.90, BB folds, CO raises to $2.65, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.40) 6♠: 8♠: 3♥: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.58, Hero calls $2.58

Turn: ($10.56) J♥: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5.04, Hero calls $5.04

River: ($20.64) 6♥: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4.66 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.66

Results:

Spoiler

$29.96 pot ($1.35 rake)
Final Board: 6♠: 8♠: 3♥: J♥: 6♥:
Hero showed K♠: K♥: and lost (-$14.93 net)
CO showed A♦: A♣: and won $28.61 ($13.68 net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It depends a little bit per player, but I would most likely go broke with KK in a 6 handed game for 150bb effective pre-flop with a small 5bet to like $5 and a call his shove.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Depends on the opponent. CO vs. SB situation like this 5 bet / call seems like the best option. And calling the 4bet is the worst


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

I would rather go for 5 bet jam than flatting 4 bet and let him catch an ace if he has AK. It's like the first hand when Mike comes to play the second time against teddy kgb :roto2:


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I am moving in right on the spot. There is "no room" for an "ordinary 5-bet" with those stacks. Another rationale for moving in is that it might "look" like AK to villain, in which case he might call with QQ-, something he can't do if he thinks you have AA/KK. This is admittedly depending on how villain perceives things.

That said, calling isn't horrible. You almost have the odds to set-mine with KK (how silly doesn't that sound), with a hand that will be an overpair on most flops. I'd need to be deeper, and preferably in position to make this play though.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Flatting pre is alright, given the stacks sizes


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

That might also depend on the position I guess, say UTG 4 bets after you 3 bet from BB would certainly look stronger than CO vs SB. In the second case he is probably 4 betting much wider and might also have some bluffs in it.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I think both plays are ok as long as hero feels ok playing it.


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FrozenElf
Joined: 06.07.2015

I think personally it is a fold, i just wanted to hear other peoples views about it, the thing is, if the player has QQ AK, he could 4bet, but i think is mostly going to call.

As sdk mentioned the player type helps a lot with this but it was a zoom game and he was unknown


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

The player type should give you info even before the 3b...


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