[Closed] When to try a check/raise?

Firstly you _must_ bet the flop when flopping a flush draw (you hit the flush in 1/3, so 2 callers would be enough). There are so many opponents who would call your bet in such a big pot. Since you don't have that much fold equity by betting the turn again you could check/call on this street but the pot is quite big so betting would be the right line.
To the river: You can't be sure that someone would bet here and even more important you're in early position. When you decide to check/raise here and e.g. button bets here, your check/raise would knock out all the players between you because all of them were forced to coldcall 2 BBs when a scare card (board becomes 3-suited, king is the highest card on the board) appears. That's much too optimistic. Just play this hand straight forward, in this case:

bet flop
bet turn
bet river

NO results please!

Me, i would have betted Flop, Turn and River.

You have a flushdraw with highcard Queen. 33% of this draws will improve, so BET! You have a strong draw that is why you have to add value to the pot by betting (and perhaps raising).
But perhaps your playing was also lucky, because they called all (big pot) and your draw was the highest (except Acehighflush). (There could have also been a straightdraw.)

Reply to your question: Yes, your action at the river was too optimistic!

NO results please!

I posted them in white. But i think i can guess your point: results are a matter of luck and will vary, playing right is what counts. I'll post my future hands without results.

You have a flushdraw with highcard Queen. 33% of this draws will improve, so BET! You have a strong draw that is why you have to add value to the pot by betting (and perhaps raising).

I never thought of it this way. My thoughts were about: I got a hand, i'll play it agressively to protect it, i got a draw, i call if i've got the odds.
But most likely you're right, 7SB in the pot, odds: 1:4, if just one player bets, i call, so why not bet right away.

The turn: whell: 7,5 BB, if one player calls (and if noone does i'm not gonna complain neither) 8,5 - so - same as before, bet, if you're gonna call.

If i did so i wouldn't have thought about a check/raise on the flop anyway, i would just have bet right away.

Seems like my latest downswing has made me a little anxious. I actually thought i played that hand allright, except the check on the turn.
Coming here and thinking about my play again really helps me a lot, thanx for your opinions!

To answer your question:

one more advice to c/r on the river, mostly it's a bad move.

Just consider to c/r there when you _know_ one of your opponents will bet again when you check, not when there are some more opponents.

i think, u should have to read again the flop play article... [Strategy] Flop Play

Originally posted by Korn
Flush Draw

If you hold two cards of the same suit and the flop shows two more, you only need one more card of this suit to complete the flush. If you have only one diamond and the flop shows three diamonds, the flush draw is pretty much worthless if you don’t hold an Ace or a King (to make your flush draw a nut flush draw) and if you play against several opponents, as you are most probably not the only one with such a flush draw.

With a flush draw on the flop your chance to complete the flush to the river is at 35% or 1 to 2. That means: If more than 2 people call your bet on the flop you will make profit, because your winning chance of 35% is above average. Furthermore you will win the pot if all your opponents fold. The combination of these two factors gives a clear picture why you should bet and raise the flop. If you do not improve your hand by the turn and you still play against several opponents, who will not fold then in most cases, you should switch to check/call. Only if you play against one or maybe two players, who will fold in most likeliness, you should bet the turn.

Ok - so the best strategy would have been raise flop, an then

check/call if nobody folds, continue to play agressively if i succeeded to thin out the lines
only thing here is i'm playing on the 2/4c 'no fold'em-hold'em' pokerstars tables, where people rarely seem to fold at all. So it's extremely difficult to guess your opponent's cards here - i've allready lost lotsa games i played 'by the book' with my overcards only to lose against the ace on the river by people who cold-called my turn-raise with A3u.
On the other hand i also played check/call with overcards only to find out i had the best hands and didn't get enough money into the pot.

Thinking about it, this may show i'm too influenced by my success and/or bad beats, and i should most probably stop playing for a while and get back to theory. So i'm gonna take your advice, read the articles again, and try not only to understand them (which i think i did) but also force myself to concentrate on playing by them instead of letting myself be influenced too much by my feelings.

So thanx again, greetings, Herb

Hiho,

Don't raise the flop here. Your opponents are likely to fold when they are confronted with 2 Bets. You should have bet this one yourself, but if you don't do and the BB bets, do definitely not raise the flop. You don't want your other opponents to fold...