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KTs Flush vs raise on river

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Ithafeer
Joined: 15.08.2006

PokerStars Hand #170939788835: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2017/05/26 17:02:30 CET [2017/05/26 11:02:30 ET]
Table 'Sualocin II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($18.32 in chips)
Seat 2: songjia ($19.04 in chips)
Seat 3: fsarci ($9.54 in chips)
Seat 4: MoscowNo1 ($10.50 in chips)
Seat 5: kill4you2 ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Blömer1989 ($17.85 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.05
songjia: posts big blind $0.10
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to Hero [Tc Kc]
fsarci: calls $0.10
MoscowNo1: folds
kill4you2: folds
Blömer1989: folds
Hero: raises $0.35 to $0.45
songjia: calls $0.35
fsarci: calls $0.35
FLOP [9c Js 3c]
Hero: bets $0.90
songjia: calls $0.90
fsarci: folds
TURN [9c Js 3c] [Ks]
Hero: bets $1.60
songjia: calls $1.60
RIVER [9c Js 3c Ks] [Qc]
Hero: bets $3.85
songjia: raises $6.88 to $10.73
Hero: raises $4.64 to $15.37 and is all-in
songjia: calls $4.64
SHOW DOWN
Hero: shows [Tc Kc] (a flush, King high)
songjia: shows [5c Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
songjia collected $35.59 from pot
SUMMARY
Total pot $37.09 | Rake $1.50
Board [9c Js 3c Ks Qc]
Seat 1: Hero (small blind) showed [Tc Kc] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 2: songjia (big blind) showed [5c Ac] and won ($35.59) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: fsarci folded on the Flop
Seat 4: MoscowNo1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: kill4you2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Blömer1989 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Didnt play for 5 years. Im not sure if i played this right. Should i rather check/call the turn? And whats the line on river?


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BingoWings
Joined: 14.04.2017

Hero (SB): $18.32
BB: $19.04
UTG: $9.54
MP: $10.50
CO: $11.25
BTN: $17.85

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with T :club: K :club:
UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BB calls $0.35, UTG calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.35) 9 :club: J :spade: 3 :club: (3 players)
Hero bets $0.90, BB calls $0.90, UTG folds

Turn: ($3.15) K :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, BB calls $1.60

River: ($6.35) Q :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $3.85, BB raises to $10.73, Hero raises to $15.37 all in


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BingoWings
Joined: 14.04.2017

Perfectly fine i think , i probably make it bigger on the river though as he has flushes and lots of 2 pair and possible straits. Id go very close to pot size on river.


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coldchurch
Joined: 20.02.2013

Bet turn and river bigger for value.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Well, the Ax flush is possible and I do not think he will raise Jx/8x flush there...


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BingoWings
Joined: 14.04.2017

Originally posted by nitrol
Well, the Ax flush is possible and I do not think he will raise Jx/8x flush there...

You don't think people raise a flush vs a half pot river bet ? op could easily be going for thin "ish" value with worse than a flush while trying to blocker bet.

I think raising a flush here would be mandatory for most people. Whether or not op should shove or not might be a question i guess.

I find it hard to believe people only raise an Ace high flush here for value.


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Tim128
Joined: 29.01.2017

Just judging from this hand, BB seems pretty passive so you should treat the river raise with a lot of respect, however I would never fold here because of the reasons mentioned, the straights and the lower flushes he could have, especially when you consider it is blind vs blind!


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by BingoWings

Originally posted by nitrol
Well, the Ax flush is possible and I do not think he will raise Jx/8x flush there...

You don't think people raise a flush vs a half pot river bet ? op could easily be going for thin "ish" value with worse than a flush while trying to blocker bet.
I think raising a flush here would be mandatory for most people. Whether or not op should shove or not might be a question i guess.

I find it hard to believe people only raise an Ace high flush here for value.
And how he is going for thin value while blocker bet with a raise?....


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BingoWings
Joined: 14.04.2017

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by BingoWings

Originally posted by nitrol
Well, the Ax flush is possible and I do not think he will raise Jx/8x flush there...

You don't think people raise a flush vs a half pot river bet ? op could easily be going for thin "ish" value with worse than a flush while trying to blocker bet.
I think raising a flush here would be mandatory for most people. Whether or not op should shove or not might be a question i guess.

I find it hard to believe people only raise an Ace high flush here for value.
And how he is going for thin value while blocker bet with a raise?....

Im talking about op's 1/2p river bet , he could be doing it with a strait or sets /KQ not wanting to check call a huge river bet .Villain may see the bet size of sort of thin value/blocker and raise pretty much any flush for value. Looking again the river bet is 2/3p so perhaps rules out that line from op . Im not sure , but i do think its a call on the river although im never super happy about it tbh.


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Tak1808
Joined: 12.05.2017

If you had played this hand in Zoom, as played.
If you were playing in the same table for long, then maybe you could respect his river bet.

Just check the board and his possible hands: with KJ,KQ he wouldn't raise at river, with Tx is very possible, with AT also, and at last with any flush. So maybe you could just call there.

If anyone can help me with that, how do you find a call at op's raise?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by BingoWings

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by BingoWings

Originally posted by nitrol
Well, the Ax flush is possible and I do not think he will raise Jx/8x flush there...

You don't think people raise a flush vs a half pot river bet ? op could easily be going for thin "ish" value with worse than a flush while trying to blocker bet.
I think raising a flush here would be mandatory for most people. Whether or not op should shove or not might be a question i guess.

I find it hard to believe people only raise an Ace high flush here for value.
And how he is going for thin value while blocker bet with a raise?....

Im talking about op's 1/2p river bet , he could be doing it with a strait or sets /KQ not wanting to check call a huge river bet .Villain may see the bet size of sort of thin value/blocker and raise pretty much any flush for value. Looking again the river bet is 2/3p so perhaps rules out that line from op . Im not sure , but i do think its a call on the river although im never super happy about it tbh.

What oponent's river bet, man??? Hero is betting and villain is raising...


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BingoWings
Joined: 14.04.2017

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by BingoWings

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by BingoWings

Originally posted by nitrol
Well, the Ax flush is possible and I do not think he will raise Jx/8x flush there...

You don't think people raise a flush vs a half pot river bet ? op could easily be going for thin "ish" value with worse than a flush while trying to blocker bet.
I think raising a flush here would be mandatory for most people. Whether or not op should shove or not might be a question i guess.

I find it hard to believe people only raise an Ace high flush here for value.
And how he is going for thin value while blocker bet with a raise?....

Im talking about op's 1/2p river bet , he could be doing it with a strait or sets /KQ not wanting to check call a huge river bet .Villain may see the bet size of sort of thin value/blocker and raise pretty much any flush for value. Looking again the river bet is 2/3p so perhaps rules out that line from op . Im not sure , but i do think its a call on the river although im never super happy about it tbh.

What oponent's river bet, man??? Hero is betting and villain is raising...

op = original poster , im talking about heroes bet on the river.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I am talking about villain. I do not think he will raise with weaker...


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BingoWings
Joined: 14.04.2017

You think he only raises the nuts Vs the river sizing? . Not sure id find the fold button with this hand . It becomes very exploitable if we are folding 2nd nuts. Id be much more inclined to fold this sort of hand on a paired board where people aren't raising worse flushes often. I don't think having the results in the op helps any discussion though. But i agree that river raises are generally the nuts.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

That last raise has negative EV.


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