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Multiway AJs in protected turn pot. What to do on river and what if river run outs come pairt board?

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advancedTN1984
Joined: 29.10.2012

We call pre-flop, cause this hand plays well multiway, flopping straights, gutters, flushes and good top pair mediocre kicker kinda hands. There are a bunch of fish at the table, limping etc.

The flop is easy call with our gutshot nutflushdraw. We get the equity and we dont mind that much to get an inflated pot on flop.

Turn is difficult. It's kinda protected pot now and villain bets huge here. We could raise here. But we got the nuts and villain can't have that many flushes when isolating pre and calling flop and leading turn. I think this is kinda hand I like to call down, if board pairs or raise river when we still gotta nuts kinda hand. What do you guys think of turn play and what is best?

Villain is kinda wide over 76 hands, 31/22 so probably a lagfish. But we dont know for sure.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $4.13
CO: $5.81
BTN: $0.46
SB: $3.95
Hero (BB): $5.00
UTG: $6.54

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has J♠ A♠

fold, MP calls $0.05, CO raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, fold, Hero calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.62, 4 players) 5♥ K♠ T♠
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $0.15, BTN raises to $0.31 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.31, fold, CO calls $0.16

Turn: ($1.55, 3 players) 8♠
Hero checks, CO bets $0.90, Hero ?


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

I would've squeezed pre-flop to isolate the mp, truth be told, each one of them really, their ranges are pretty weak, maybe except for CO


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Problem with squeezing that there is a decent change you will play a big pot out of position and you need to fold on a 4 bet as well. On the turn, I would call and try to keep his range as wide as possible and check/shove on a good river card for value. I expect you will get the most value of you flush like this.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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MKR
Joined: 24.04.2005

In my opinion all fine made so far, now on turn I have a tendency to raise. I want to go All-In on river and that he feels committed after turn.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Flush is possible OTT and you check raise. How often would you do this as a bluff? I think it looks very strong and villain will be able to fold a lot. Could just calling get us more money?


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

When we have the strongest hand, we want to get it in because when on the river the board pairs, we are not so strong anymore when villain shoves.


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advancedTN1984
Joined: 29.10.2012

I feel like, overbetting the turn in the side pot is massive overbetting. And other things that don't are raising are also looking strong. And yes, if the board pairs our hand is not looking so pretty anymore.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Smaller flushes and sets and also smaller flush draws and two pair combos will call a rise. These hands are pretty likely since there were four of you on the flop. By contrast, nobody is calling with a busted draw OTR.

How much to raise? A set needs about 3.5:1 in implied odds. Don't offer much more than that. This means don't raise too small if you intend do call a river raise. You don't play against sets only, and sometimes you are simply doomed by the cards. Avoiding this by raising too big results also in folds when you want calls. The numerical calculations are up to you:)


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

Against anyone solid with basic hand reading you got to just call here.
There's only 2-4 flush combos in his range
You actually block most strong draws with the As, Js
So you really want to make your hand look weak, play it like weak KX, pair+draw to get paid (sets and low flushes should vbet blank river anyways)

However this is NL5
his stats are not very indicative but he's a bit more likely to not be solid
and with the dead pot there, he should rarely or even never bluff

And I'm grinding NL5 now For Tuesdays coaching some
We know he has a made hand, he bets even when flush hits
Would I ever bluffraise in this spot when I know he has a made hand he likes almost always? Probably not at NL5 vs someone with not totally solid stats over a small samples
So raise is definitely an option at the limit, even though we're almost turning our hand face up, just counting on that he's incapable of folding a made hand.


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advancedTN1984
Joined: 29.10.2012

Thanks, lemon for the nice outline of the hand!

I guess we can raise it up at the limit with the indication that he is probably a weaker player.


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