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JTs goes OESD vs 1BB-Bets

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Klausen16
Joined: 12.04.2013

Hi guys,

I post this hand to ask you with an example how to play/think about the players that bet 1 bb postflop.
So here my thoughts about this hand:

Hero (MP): 112 BB
CO: 217 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BTN: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 109 BB (VPIP: 53.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BB: 110.5 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 110 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)

We play JTs on MP vs both blinds. I have like no hands and both play with a full stack. I will rate them like regs.

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ T♥

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB raises to 5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, SB calls 2 BB

Preflop I std-or and gets called + raise by just 2BB. OTF I am IP so I decide to call here. I do not see any need to fold or raise vs 2 guys. So nothing special here ...

Flop: (15 BB, 3 players) K♠ 6♦ Q♦
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 7 BB, SB calls 7 BB, BB calls 7 BB

On flop both of them check and I decide to Bet here to make them fold. As well I got a OESD so its not a pure bluff here. I bet here with 7/15 = 46 % to have it cheap if someone calls and I do not hit ...

Turn: (36 BB, 3 players) 4♥
SB bets 1 BB, BB calls 1 BB, Hero ...

Now we got something new to think about. The 1 BB bet ... On the first view it seems like I can ignore this one and bet/check-behind here. I saw this some times and feel like there are two typ of guys playing this with 2 different reasons:

  • "Reg" --> bets 1 BB if there is no action in a multiway pot. If all just call he will bet the next time like huge for 80 % + because he assumes that nobody will call here. So used the 1 BB like a read ... . This guy probably does not play for value. He just want to bluff-bet the pot to get it after the "read".
  • Ultimate Super Fish -> has no idea how to play at all and got a hit and bets now with a wrong size.

What you think about this 1BB bets? Do you ignore them? If my assumtion is right with the 2 guys I should be able to counter them and use it like a better-counter-read. If not probably I should ignore the bb.

Anyway what you think about a sec. barrel here?


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

BB min3bet pre and SB mindonk turn, please don't call them regs...

No point in probing that flop. Check back and realise your equity instead of betting without fold equity.

As played you can raise small turn and keep up river or just flat turn and value or bluff (depending on the outcome) river, whatever I presume.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Agree with MyFloXyBabY. I wouldn't call them regs.. Total fish :f_biggrin:
I usually treat these limps as checks.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Also the pre-flop stats of both players looks fishy. If someone is playing 50% of his hands and is only calling so far it can’t be a good regular.

I would check the flop as well with our straight draw against 2 fishy players that most likely don’t like to fold and that’s why I don’t think it’s to profitable to raise the turn as well and I would go for a cheap river card.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I'd bet flop, not so much as a bluff, but to build the pot if we hit nuts, and to retain initiative to be able to check back turn (you could call it "buying a free card"). Then I'd check back turn (or, which is pretty much the same thing, I'd call that 1 bb donk).


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pdfbq
Joined: 23.05.2008

I think you should not think to much about plays with a 1 bb bet. It does not accomplish anything.
You will never ever fold you draw and when you miss you would fold anyways against a bet.

I would check (call 1BB) turn. They will never ever fold unless you go all in probably ( no! I did not say all in there :f_tongue:).


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