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Zoom, JJ, facing aggression post flop

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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Thoughts?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
SB: 89.2 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 242.44 BB (VPIP: 43.18, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 46)
UTG: 101 BB (VPIP: 33.67, PFR: 24.74, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 104)
MP: 214.28 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 13.10, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 88)
Hero (CO): 144.56 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♠ J♥

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB raises to 13 BB, Hero calls 10 BB, SB calls 10 BB

Flop: (39 BB, 3 players) 5♥ 4♣ 3♦
SB checks, BB bets 18.64 BB, Hero calls 18.64 BB, fold

Turn: (76.28 BB, 2 players) 3♠
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (76.28 BB, 2 players) 8♠
BB bets 48 BB, Hero ???

BB/100 won -220
<-----Is this a telling stats?
How about river AF inf?


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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

No offense, please, don't take this personally .. but if you're asking this kind of a question, shouldn't you play much lower? I think it's pretty obv you can't use bb/100 won stat much, especially if you have only 46 hands on the villain. Another point is, even if you would have thousands of hands on this particular villain, you would look for different stat to make your adjustements .. not bb/100 won.

As played I would call the river. He can have overpairs (AA, KK and QQ maybe not so much, since it's weird to check those OTT, I guess he will have more 99 and TT in his range) and random bluffs (AK, suited connectors etc.).


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would call OTR.

You are thinking about those stats with waaaay too small hand sample. Even his VPIP/PFR is not accurate over 46 hands. BB/100 just tells us that he has lost roughly one stack during these hands, doesn't tell us anything. And stat like river AF would require probably more than a thousand hands.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Hey, thanks for the comments. OK, so with no stats involved, I think him checking turn with OP is weird also. Thanks for your help.
I'm not folding by the way because I'm a station but I want to fold sometimes, I really do.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

The turn's interesting here
I think do like to check back everything to vbet/potentially bluff rivers (as what do we bluff here ever on the turn in a squeeze pot when we call with a dude still behind us) and that'd be the easiest way to play our range)

Just wondering if a small 25-30% bet might be decent here given that our range is pairs and Ahighs+backdoors here mostly and no air (except maybe the 3 78combos with gutter+backdoor) , I guess we'd hate it exactly with hand like TT JJ if we induce a raise though in practice... Still sounds like a good idea to deny equity to random 2 overs, but you'd need to map it out and spend time on it - the spot probably doesn't happen often enough for it to be worth it so checking the turn is your safe straightforward option.

And even though I expect to be beat a lot the hand's just too strong to fold now with no reads
(and we have none - over these small samples his stats are still feasible to be a TAG. Seeing actual hands that he played badly is way more important over these small samples)


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

do you guys think, that preflop is standard? i dont. we are not closing the action. so for me this is a 4b /fold situation.


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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

I think pre is fine. I am not 4betting JJ here with no reads.


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Varune
Joined: 24.04.2009

Originally posted by Pokamon
do you guys think, that preflop is standard? i dont. we are not closing the action. so for me this is a 4b /fold situation.

We might not be 'closing the action', but what does sb rep when he rejamms? not much. So i'd ignore him.


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

its not about the jamming. its about the odds we offer him to come along.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I wouldn't 4bet JJ either.
I would consider 4betting QQ for value, smaller pocket pairs than that I just call, mostly for set value. The line has to be drawn somewhere.


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