Suited connectors highly negative

Hi StruxXx,

Sorry for the late reply.
What is your EV bb/100 with those hands?
You could be 3betting villains who don't fold much vs 3bets with these hands. In those cases your range should be more linear. If your red line is shooting down, maybe you are not aggressive enough. Maybe you give up your draws too easily?

It is quite difficult to say what is the problem without seeing how you play those hands. And I think it still could be variance.

Originally posted by la55i
Hi StruxXx,

Sorry for the late reply.
What is your EV bb/100 with those hands?

I can't find the EV bb/100 hand in HM2 (tbh I dont know how ), but I found out that I'm running only €12 euros below EV, which we can conclude that its not variance.

I've noticed that with those hands I'm negative in this month as well, even though I'm running quite hot with 2 digits bb/100 on NL50!

I've also realised that only position in which Im winning with those hands is on the BTN. Every other position is heavily negative! And by that I mean they are overall -40-60 bb/100! That is HUGE!

Yeah, I think that those numbers are way above average for Suited Connectors.
Oh -- are we talking cash games or tournaments?

For me those hands are used:
 RFI from CO/BTN vs tight buttons / blinds
 To balance "good" hands
 To call min-bets in BB (esp if SB completes)
 (rarely) to flat UTG open raises

What report did you use (PT4 or HM2 and what report?)
I just had a look and surprisingly my VPIP for SCs (> = 54s) my overall V/P is 68%/47%
My results in tournaments are seemingly good though -- so good that I think I'm doing something wrong.

I don't play Hold'em cash enough for any data to be meaningful, but my VPIP/PFR w/ SCs (all of them this time) is 70/48 -- so similar to yours. My winrate appears to be 0.72 BB/100

Remember that part of the value of these hands is balancing your ranges -- so losing here opens widens your perceived range to villains -- and hopefully they will call you wider and thus you win more when you do have the nuts. I also notice that in my cash game stats, I'm having only WTSD of 28%, and a WSD of 46% . My aggression with these hands is high, too -- I don't know if that means much.

Cheers,
VS;

i suppose that you thought of this, but just in case...
you'll obviously be losing with almost anything from the blinds. are you actually losing from other positions? and in the blinds, do you lose more than you would if you didn't actually play them?

Yeah, good point. Unfortunately, the report I ran did not separate by position.
It would be worth a check though...

I would be curious which postition you are playing them from also.

OOP.

SC's are great x/r hands, where opponent's range is wide and cbets too much = print money OOP. (I raise low/mid pairs too. Backdoor SD and FD are nice, too. SD, GS too ofc.) I don't necessarily have to have connected with flop to x/r, though.

IP

BB vs SB should be in a CC range and + EV. Raise flops and turns as semibluff.

BU as a caller is harder, because of no initiative, but look for weak tight players and float. (No card poker)

BU 3bet vs players who are capable of giving up OTF or preflop. (If low WTSD, then 2barrell).

X/r - i use math and don't worry if my bluff gets called. It doesn't need to work too often.

EDIT:
I actually checked my database.

As PFR (raise first in) suited connectors are:
- UTG = 67s-T9s, JTs+
- MP =98s + (87s and lower are -EV)
- CO 54s+ = +EV
- BU 32s+ = +EV

Cold call:
I'm doing too much stuff from BU and need to investigate further. It seems that it might be close to BE in longterm, but they make HERO's perceived range wider and flop raise bluffs vs value are in ~ balance at least. So, no big winner and not advisable to play just for fun. Need to look for weak players who cbet too much and give up OTT.

BB defense vs CO, BU seems ok, since less than -100bb/100.
BB defence vs SB should show a proffit, since we are IP with wide range vs wide range (and our equity vs Villain's opening range is great) and good playability.

3bet: I'm losin a ton and need to invetigate further. Especially BU and BB.

My conclusion (with small overview) about small - mid SC's:

1. SC's play best in small pots (big SPR) with initiative and IP;
2. SC's play reasonably well in small pots (big SPR) with initiative and OOP;

3. SC's play badly in 3bet pots (lowSPR) with initiative and IP; (K9s, QTs is better than 65s-T9s)
4. SC's play badly in called 3bet pots (lowSPR) without initiative and OOP;

5. SC's play OK in cold called pots (high SPR) where ranges are wide (BB vs SB, BB vs BU).

Edit: SPR - stack to pot ratio