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imfar
Joined: 20.07.2009

IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $15.98 (159.8 bb)
BB: $24.86 (248.6 bb)
MP: $4.82 (48.2 bb)
CO: $5.72 (57.2 bb)
BTN: $13.39 (133.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♦: Q♣:
MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.70, BB calls $0.60, MP calls $0.60, CO calls $0.60, BTN calls $0.60

Flop: ($3.50) 2♥: 8♣: 7♥: (5 players)
Hero bets $2.80, 2 folds, CO calls $2.80, BTN calls $2.80

Turn: ($11.90) T♣: (3 players)
Hero bets $12.48 and is all-in, CO calls $2.22, BTN calls $9.89 and is all-in

River: ($33.90) A♥: (3 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$33.90 pot ($2.00 rake)
Final Board: 2♥: 8♣: 7♥: T♣: A♥:
Hero mucked Q♦: Q♣: and lost (-$13.39 net)
CO showed 7♣: 6♥: and lost (-$5.72 net)
BTN showed T♠: 7♠: and won $31.90 ($18.51 net)

CO is fish 57/20 after 601 hands
BU is

What I messed up are:
Flop sizing, $2.2 would do, right?
Turn shouldn't be ship, just a bet of a fish's stack size,and fold to regs aggression, right?


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Talisker74
Joined: 17.08.2009

Why are you are overbetting the turn?

What should the regular could call worse your hand?

Turn opens another FD and straight completes....
their are many cards you don`t want to see on the river...

on that turn i would prefer to bet 1/3 potsize (b/f) and on that river try to get a free showdown.

Slainte
Talisker


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Actually BTN has a shorter stack here so effectively our bet is less than 10$ in to almost 12$ pot.
There are a lot of draws out there so our hand needs protection. The problem in betting small is that if we bet 1/3pot (4$) then the pot will be 20$ OTR and we have just 6$ effectively left. Also because the board is so drawy, if we bet small and face a raise, I'm not sure if we can let it go. Not if we bet 4$ and then have to call 6$ more in to a 26$ pot.

So the way I see this is that the stack is probably going in anyway. I think it is reasonable to just ship it and hope CO calls with a stupid hand and BTN folds or calls with a draw.


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lfcmichael
Joined: 30.10.2016

BTN had great odds to limp and again to call the raise, so he could hold all sorts of ‘unlikely’ hands. Is there a case to raise even bigger preflop versus so many limpers when we’ll be OPP against everyone postflop?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Raising more out of position is a good option I think, but I think this sizing and play is fine as well. He’s only shoving turn for $9,89 effective.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

With that many limpers and having in mind that we are OOP I will raise more preflop.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

yeah you can raise a bit bigger but it's no big deal when 2 limpers are short
And on the flop I'm betting much smaller
1) You fold out air still
2) People can't really bluff-raise you much because they have to be afraid of each other
3) Your hand is not as good as you think
On any Ace, King, heart, 6,9,8 possibly even Jack and Ten you'll have to slow down, that's a lot of the deck to be pumping so much money into the pot, plus most of them have 88 77 87
4) You still comfortably stack off vs the two shortstacks

Turn's just really weird now with the shortstack, checking should be okay, he will often jam his last $2.22 in and you get to see what the reg does who has to play honest pretty much
And if he jams himself after the CO checks you can probably let go because he just can't really bluff because the shortie that never folds protects the pot and only made hands he should have either beat you or it's 8x, T9 at best that should check behind


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DecMate
Joined: 25.01.2009

I'm never shipping this turn it's just too much of an overplay.
Just because a fish has 2$ doesn't mean you should risk your whole 10$.
I agree with lemon, i'm betting the flop smaller and checking the turn for the same reasons.


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