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[Closed] NL 25 FR - AK preflop betting

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Smileyphil
Joined: 28.10.2008

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$18.11:48/23 /4 /2.7/15 /0 /100 /100 ;UTG1$25.92:46/33 /9 /-/27 /0 /-/100 ;Hero$27.39:///////;[/tg]
0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is UTG2 with A♠, K♥
UTG1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, 5 folds, SB raises to $5.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $27.39 (All-In), SB calls $13.11 (All-In), Hero gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $36.72

Is it ok to push like this with AK?

Note: My stats aren't very reliable because of the low hand sample so I wouldn't base too much on them.


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caltabiano
Joined: 09.03.2007

In a FR table I only go broke pre-flop with KK+, unless I have a good read on opp.

This guy is 3betting a UTG raise OOP. This means a lot of strength.

In this spot I would call his 3bet, as I am IP and have a pretty strong hand.
If you had more hands on him and his stats were the same as they are with 48 hands, you can actually find a fold I think.


Smileyphil Topic starter
Smileyphil
Joined: 28.10.2008

I am unsure because a fold is very weak but he has shown a lot of strength and my original plan to isolate the UTG1 limper has failed.

A call means we are essentially hoping for an A or K (only 1/3 of the time) and we have to give up the hand without.

Pushing probably only really leaves us against KK+, AK. And we don't have much fold equity because he wouldn't 3 bet much else. (maybe JJ, QQ but thats not much fold equity)

- I wonder what the judges will think.

I'm not very used to stats. Which part makes you think it would be a fold? (assuming larger sample size)

He has a large vp$ip but pretty low PFR. So this suggests his 3bets are very strong??


caltabiano
Joined: 09.03.2007

Yes, his PFR suggests his 3bet is very strong.

a 4% PFR is something like JJ+, AQ. But that's the average, so it can be tighter in EP, looser in LP and so on. A 3betting range is even tighter than the PFR. A guy 3betting an UTG raise from the SB is even tighter.

I think there are 3 possible ranges for him.

1 - He 3bets KK+ and you're pretty much dead.
2 - He 3bets QQ+, AK and calls a push with all of these. This is still -EV
3 - He 3bets QQ+, AK and only calls push with KK+. Your push here is profitable, as he folds most of his range. I don't think he'll do this though.

So I don't like shoving here.
Calling is possible. The problem is that when you hit TP/TK, he'll fold all the hands that you beat. You'll get a split pot maximum.

As a general rule, going broke with AKo on a FR table is bad.


darkonebg
Joined: 17.01.2008

Originally posted by caltabiano
Yes, his PFR suggests his 3bet is very strong.

a 4% PFR is something like JJ+, AQ. But that's the average, so it can be tighter in EP, looser in LP and so on. A 3betting range is even tighter than the PFR. A guy 3betting an UTG raise from the SB is even tighter.

I think there are 3 possible ranges for him.

1 - He 3bets KK+ and you're pretty much dead.
2 - He 3bets QQ+, AK and calls a push with all of these. This is still -EV
3 - He 3bets QQ+, AK and only calls push with KK+. Your push here is profitable, as he folds most of his range. I don't think he'll do this though.

So I don't like shoving here.
Calling is possible. The problem is that when you hit TP/TK, he'll fold all the hands that you beat. You'll get a split pot maximum.

As a general rule, going broke with AKo on a FR table is bad.

You are making general rules from a nonexistant hand sample.
Its +ev to push it here for less than 100BB effective.NH!


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