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AA 3betted pot, doubled flop, K OTT

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iugmali
Joined: 03.05.2009

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $9.54 (190.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $5 (100 bb)
UTG: $4.01 (80.2 bb)
MP: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $5.87 (117.4 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♦: A♥:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.12, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.28

Flop: ($0.82) 3♠: 5♥: 5♦: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, BTN calls $0.55

Turn: ($1.92) K♠: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.90, Hero ?

Was it a good betsize OTF? Easy shove OTT?


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Netgames999
Joined: 12.11.2006

OTF I would size it to get value from AK/AQ type of hands. PPs call you anyway. So around $0.35.
I don't see the value in x/shoving the turn. Of the hands you beat, only AK would probably call. I would bet again. A bit over 50% PS. A lot of PPs pay a second time, but would most likely xbehind with the K being an overcard. Plus it sets you up for a potsize shove OTR.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

If you deal with a loose passive player a big sizing is fine. Otherwise half pot is big enough on a dry board like this and I would always bet the turn for value and protection as well. You don't want to give him a free card and if you bet you can shove most rivers.

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SDK1987


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Pre villain opens a bit smaller than 3x. I would this time still treat that as a 3x raise when calculating a 3bet size. Then because you are OOP I would add 1bb to that. So I would 3bet to 0.5$ or at least that 0.45$.

When it comes to postflop I agree with this:

Originally posted by Netgames999
OTF I would size it to get value from AK/AQ type of hands. PPs call you anyway. So around $0.35.
I don't see the value in x/shoving the turn. Of the hands you beat, only AK would probably call. I would bet again. A bit over 50% PS. A lot of PPs pay a second time, but would most likely xbehind with the K being an overcard. Plus it sets you up for a potsize shove OTR.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You do not have to bet flop that much as board is low. Bet half pot.
Why shove turn?


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iugmali
Joined: 03.05.2009

Originally posted by nitrol
(...)Why shove turn?

If I x/r (let's say, to 2.50) OTT I'd have been pot commited OTR. 1.65 stack to 6.42 pot. I think if I'm planning to x/r, It's better check/shoving...

Originally posted by Netgames999
OTF I would size it to get value from AK/AQ type of hands. PPs call you anyway. So around $0.35.
I don't see the value in x/shoving the turn. Of the hands you beat, only AK would probably call. I would bet again. A bit over 50% PS. A lot of PPs pay a second time, but would most likely xbehind with the K being an overcard. Plus it sets you up for a potsize shove OTR.

Thanks for reviewing. You're right.


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TyCobb
Joined: 30.03.2006

Originally posted by Netgames999
OTF I would size it to get value from AK/AQ type of hands. PPs call you anyway. So around $0.35.
I don't see the value in x/shoving the turn. Of the hands you beat, only AK would probably call. I would bet again. A bit over 50% PS. A lot of PPs pay a second time, but would most likely xbehind with the K being an overcard. Plus it sets you up for a potsize shove OTR.

I dont like this, cause you ve to overbet shove the river. I wld bet a little bigger, but not much.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Board is low and you should not make big bets.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

First of all when it comes to beginner strategy u bet 2/3 flop, bet 2/3 turn and shove nl5 and at least breakeven at NL5

Since you didn't follow it let's go advanced

On boards like these generally you should bet 1/2 oop smaller sizes miss value vs pocket pairs and most Ahighs that are always calling + you block them anyways. But I see a strategy with larger sizes working also honestly

Turn you have to realize what's going on after you bet 2/3 on the flop
Basically you skew his range to pocket pairs and Ahighs and 5x maybe 46s if He calls that pre.

On top of that think about what you represent if you have QJS AQ or any other air surely you'd bluff a card like this

So a checking strategy really doesn't make sense if you think about it as you both represent mostly showdown value now and most of his hands have a pretty straightforward check back.

So when you do check you just have to check call now, hope he goes crazy with Ahi trying to get you off of QQ JJ TT

Because when you check jam you're just gonna get action from 5x, and badly played AXss


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

I prefer bigger 3bet size pre flop oop, about 0.50 or 0.55. Post flop if villain calling station this bet good but if not i cbet smaller, but i think not mistake this cbet micro limit.


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iugmali
Joined: 03.05.2009

Originally posted by nitrol
Board is low and you should not make big bets.

Yes. I realize that was a huge bet OTF.

Originally posted by LemOn36
First of all when it comes to beginner strategy u bet 2/3 flop, bet 2/3 turn and shove nl5 and at least breakeven at NL5

Since you didn't follow it let's go advanced

On boards like these generally you should bet 1/2 oop smaller sizes miss value vs pocket pairs and most Ahighs that are always calling + you block them anyways. But I see a strategy with larger sizes working also honestly

Turn you have to realize what's going on after you bet 2/3 on the flop
Basically you skew his range to pocket pairs and Ahighs and 5x maybe 46s if He calls that pre.

On top of that think about what you represent if you have QJS AQ or any other air surely you'd bluff a card like this

So a checking strategy really doesn't make sense if you think about it as you both represent mostly showdown value now and most of his hands have a pretty straightforward check back.

So when you do check you just have to check call now, hope he goes crazy with Ahi trying to get you off of QQ JJ TT

Because when you check jam you're just gonna get action from 5x, and badly played AXss

Thanks for your review. I am learning from your coaching videos and it's an honour. Check/calling would be better than check/raising. I was thinking maybe that K OTT was not good enough for me to bet my overpairs, because I was putting villain on pockets, maybe QQ-88. I don't have a good sample size on my HM2 to get a read of a micro player normal behavior. Usually that K would increase fold equity, then it's a good spot for a bluff or semi-bluff. But do micro players tend to think I am bluffing and stick to their pockets, or they tend to fold more often? If they stick to them, then it's better betting anyway.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

OTF I'm going smaller. Very dry flop, 1/2 is usually enough. He'll float here a lot with AX hands.
I'm not stopping OTT. I'll throw the 2nd barrel definitely for both value and protection from the FDs.

The way you played it's check-call or check-raise. Can't fold here.
By check-raising you're basically saying: "I got it, do you?". If he calls and river is innocuous, just shove it.
By check-calling you give him the opportunity to bluff the river. You could face tougher decisions with this play if a spade comes.
I think it's up to you, just do it the way you feel more comfortable.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

bad line

The K is a card that freezes action - He will check back his mid pairs. It is a card that favors the 3bettor's range after all. You should be 3-barreling here.

Not to mention you have 2 As, which blocks his float combos (AJ AQ comes to mind), this increases the likelihood that he has a mid-pair and not a AX float, which reduces the value of the check/call.


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