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J10s mwp, post flop play and pre fold?

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Pre i thinked suited connector good to call and i guess sb or bb call, so i had got good pot odds. River is tricky, i think he never call worst handed, maybe AA or KK. But my read well..Rng almost destory my flop nuts. B

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $11.01 (110.1 bb)
BB: $12.43 (124.3 bb)
MP1: $10.62 (106.2 bb)
MP2: $9.70 (97 bb)
MP3: $10.28 (102.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $10.92 (109.2 bb)
BTN: $3.55 (35.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T♥ J♥
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.30, MP3 folds, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 8♥ 7♦ 9♠ (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.61, BB calls $0.61, MP2 folds

Turn: ($2.17) 3♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.07, BB calls $2.07

River: ($6.31) 8♠ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler

Results: $6.31 pot ($0.28 rake)
Final Board: 8♥ 7♦ 9♠ 3♦ 8♠
BB showed 8♣ 8♦ and won $6.03 ($3.05 net)
Hero mucked T♥ J♥ and lost (-$2.98 net)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think this looks fine.


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TyCobb
Joined: 30.03.2006

I dont like the sizing on the turn an i b/f river.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

You flopped a monster hand. You could eventually check the flop to maintain their bluffs, but betting is totally fine.
River pairs the board, but your hand is just too strong to slowdown. You should just bet for value here. You can't be afraid of full-houses. You'll be ahead very often in this spot.
It was a sick cooler, forget it and move on.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Turn i must defend my hand any sets, lot of people suggest here than turn bet i have got a nuts can be potbet or overbet. And i defend to QJ my hand.


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Andrepipocado
Joined: 31.01.2018

Vs weak players you can bet this River, these guys dont fold nothing


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not mind the turn size. We still hold the best hand and if villain wants to see river, he should pay.
River is fine.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

river is a sick soulread, but it makes sense. i suppose that's a symptom of playing too much fullring, hero folds and hero checks become commonplace because people are just so damn tight


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not mind the turn size. We still hold the best hand and if villain wants to see river, he should pay.
River is fine.

As you see he paid me. I think this limit players never let the set until won't see the river. What do you think turn cbet is ok or too much?


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

I think this is a must value bet on the river.

This is why i always say that results of the hand should not be posted. People are saying "nice check" but they dont realize how much value you lose long term with this check. If you do not bet this hand here what hands do you value bet? Full houses only ? You can check behind your overpairs and top pair type of hands but straights are a must bet here. I would even value bet 56 and feel good about it.

I would value bet 1/2 and fold to a raise 10 out of 10 times on this river. There are plenty of weaker hands to call you. He can call any TT/JJ and 56. He also has hands like 68/8T/8J that will call a value bet. Not counting any random 9x if the player is fishy.


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TyCobb
Joined: 30.03.2006

Originally posted by ToddBrunson

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not mind the turn size. We still hold the best hand and if villain wants to see river, he should pay.
River is fine.

As you see he paid me. I think this limit players never let the set until won't see the river. What do you think turn cbet is ok or too much?

He paid you, because he had pretty much top of his range. He may (most likely will, or at least should) fold his mediocre hands to this turnsizing. Dont forget that u play against a range.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

generally speaking i agree with you, but this is a fullring game and we bet pot ott in what was a multiway pot.
if we consider opponent to be a reg, we're definitely isolating ourselves against the top of his range with the potsize bet (which clearly was hero's intention). we also block JJ/TT, both 98 and 78 have also improved. the main factor is how many suited connectors+draw he has in his range and calls turn (shouldn't be many. fullring regs are mostly tighter than optimal, population doesn't bluff this spot in this way and he doesn't have the odds for what could even be a dead draw).

i prefer to just bet a normal size ott, then they can still raise sets and then we also have a clear valuebet otr. as played, 1/2 river might be slightly profitable, but not amazing.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by ToddBrunson

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not mind the turn size. We still hold the best hand and if villain wants to see river, he should pay.
River is fine.

As you see he paid me. I think this limit players never let the set until won't see the river. What do you think turn cbet is ok or too much?

It is ok as played.


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