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AKs 3bet pot post flop play, turn call or fold?

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Villain unknown, flop maybe check? But i check almost always give up my hands, so i decided cbet. Turn is very best laps for me, but some draws here, possible flush or gutshot, so cbet again turn and villain push. What range can be villain? I think lot of Ax, what i beat, AQ, AJ, QhJh,KhQh,KhJh, beat me: 88, 1010, AA and AK we tie.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

Hero (SB): $5 (100 bb)
BB: $2.94 (58.8 bb)
UTG+2: $4.79 (95.8 bb)
MP1: $7 (140 bb)
MP2: $5.29 (105.8 bb)
MP3: $5.08 (101.6 bb)
CO: $4 (80 bb)
BTN: $5.57 (111.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A♦ K♦
UTG+2 raises to $0.12, 5 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $0.38

Flop: ($1.05) 5♣ T♥ 8♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.67, UTG+2 calls $0.67

Turn: ($2.39) A♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $1.53, UTG+2 raises to $3.62 and is all-in,

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Hero calls $2.09

River: ($9.63) 5♥ (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Results: $9.63 pot ($0.40 rake)
Final Board: 5♣ T♥ 8♥ A♣ 5♥
Hero showed A♦ K♦ and lost (-$4.79 net)
UTG+2 showed T♠ A♠ and won $9.23 ($4.44 net)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Check fold OTF is totally standard here. With a cbet OOP you just often get yourself in trouble. I usually advice to be a bit conservative when cbetting out of position. That makes sure you have enough decent hands in your checking range so you will not be check folding too often. But the fact that you have to fold vs a stab doesn't mean you should cbet. If the hand is crap it is crap.

We could use Baluga theorem that says to fold less than 2 pair hands vs a turn raise. That is because those turn raises are often too value heavy. In today's games people start to bluff raise there more but let's remember that villain opened from UTG in full ring game and called a big 3bet. I very much doubt that he raises you with AQ or AJ. He could have 88,TT,ATs.

So the hands you listed: AQ, AJ, QhJh,KhQh,KhJh
I doubt those AQ and AJ raise. The rest would be ok as bluff raises but QJs,KJs would be already too weak for me to call a 3bet from UTG in 6max. If we don't have reads on villain it might be a bit loose to put those in his range, especially KhJh.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Problem here as well is that you betting to much on the turn to get away if he's shoving on you. Half pot bet is big enough on the turn I think.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

I cbet bigger the turn, drawheavy, two possible flushdraw and J9s, 67s, KQs straight draw too, but you right enough half cbet the turn. Thank you!


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Pre-flop standard.
The cbet on the flop is ok. But OOP I prefer to check here. The reason is: this board doesn't favor your 3bet pre-flop. You'll see a decent opponent floating here or even raising you very often. And then you'll be in a very tough spot.

Turn is a bet. In this case you're not bluffing, but even if it was the case, the ace is the best card to do it on.
You protect your hand against the flushdraws and get value off some hand with an ace, that's consistent with his call to your 3bet pre-flop.
I think I'm folding to the shove. He called your 3 bet, called your flop bet and shoves OTT after a 2nd barrel. I think this screams value.
A very good opponent would know this is a great spot to throw a bluff in and could shove to force your fold. But I don't think that's an NL5 level skill.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

checkfold flop
as played bet/call due to huge number of draws - he could be reshoving for protection with worse so you cant fold.


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