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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Another succes day, i lost 40 dollars. I don't want flood, this two hand same villain. 4.2K hand, 17/11 3bet fold 51, post flop fold cbet 3bet 71. I did not expected 22, 33, 44 even if mwp. I decided post flop potbet cold 3bet call, can be any lower pairs,55-JJ. It was mistake for me or just a cooler again?

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $19.14 (191.4 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $11.91 (119.1 bb)
UTG+2: $10.55 (105.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): $12.96 (129.6 bb)
MP2: $10 (100 bb)
MP3: $8.57 (85.7 bb)
CO: $11.63 (116.3 bb)
BTN: $13.07 (130.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q♠ Q♣
UTG+1 raises to $0.20, UTG+2 calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1.30, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1.30, 5 folds, UTG+2 calls $1.10

Flop: ($4.25) 4♦ 2♦ 3♣ (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $4.06, MP3 raises to $7.27 and is all-in, UTG+2 raises to $9.25 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.19

Turn: ($30.02) K♥ (3 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($30.02) 7♥ (3 players, 2 are all-in)

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Results: $30.02 pot ($1.35 rake)
Final Board: 4♦ 2♦ 3♣ K♥ 7♥
UTG+2 showed 3♦ 3♥ and won $28.67 ($18.12 net)
Hero showed Q♠ Q♣ and lost (-$10.55 net)
MP3 showed 9♣ 9♦ and lost (-$8.57 net)

2. Few minutes later same villain, i had got AKs i thinked enough to push, unfortunatelly i did not see 3bet range bu 2.2 average 3. But last hands he could able call big 3bet raise with 33, so i guess enough AKs to push. Run in twice of course i lost twice. Few minutes later another table bu i had got AKs, sb raise i 4bet, he re-raise 5bet all in, showed QQ and run in twice and i lost twice. :f_biggrin: And few minutes later i lost KK vs AK pre flop all in, board came ace. Maybe i have to paused or chance pokersite or try to learn 6max. I do not know.
But my stats afternoon 14/10, 3bet 5, wtsd 21, flop cbet 59, agg 2.1. I do not see this stats is bad. But i lose and lose again. Maybe i have just bad series?

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $12.13 (121.3 bb)
UTG+1: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
UTG+2: $14.83 (148.3 bb)
MP1: $11.95 (119.5 bb)
MP2: $18.66 (186.6 bb)
MP3: $10.22 (102.2 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $28.22 (282.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K♥ A♥
4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.24, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.90, Hero raises to $10 and is all-in, 2 folds, BTN calls $9.10

Flop: ($20.34) T♣ 2♥ 3♠ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($20.34) 4♦ (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($20.34) J♣ (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Results: $20.34 pot ($0.92 rake)
Final Board: T♣ 2♥ 3♠ 4♦ J♣
Hero showed K♥ A♥ and lost (-$10 net)
BTN showed Q♠ Q♥ and won $19.42 ($9.42 net)


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

1. First QQ hand:

Bet smaller on the flop. Once you beet like 1/3 up to 1/2 size on the flop you can see what the players behind would do. I would stack off vs Mp3 player as he looks rather fishy flatting this 3bet and being a non full stack. If UTG reshoves after that - i think you have an easy fold. Now you look pot comitted and you just have to call after you smashed this flop with a pot sized bet. the thing is UTG has in his range AA and KK (keeping the fish in the hand), he has all type of A♦:Q♦: A♦:K♦: A♦:J♦: A♦:T♦: K♦:Q♦: which you are slightly behind/flipping against and he also has all the sets having the correct price preflop to call. Basically UTG range crushes you.

2. Ak hand:

Not sure why you dont 4bet a normal size but chose to directly push. What hands the you beat that he calls with? Do you think he calls AQ ? I dont think so. Make a normal 4bet and play postflop if he calls. If he shoves - call. The result of this hand would have been the same anyway but when you directly 4bet push - you dont leave him any room to make a mistake.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

OOP 4bet i do not like this. If the flop is not comes ace or king or flush draw i have to give up. And i check oop, ip 4bet call almost always bet. So i lost 25BB for a nothing. I don't know +ev AKs 4bet raise 25BB, especially if villain rarely fold 4bet pre flop. Cold 4bet oop better play push all in, QQ++, AKo+, or not? 4bet oop with KK and oop comes ace what should i play? Check/call and give up to weak and almost i pot commited, bet/fold too.


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TyCobb
Joined: 30.03.2006

1) QQ preflop is a call against UTG or 3bb+. Against a min or the 3-bet is ok imo. On the flop i like a smaller sizing too, cause with this betsize you cant virtually b/f, which means you cant bluff.

2) It think the call with 33 in the QQ hand is pretty standard. He closes the action and we ve an overcaller. So I dont see, how this may effect his range in this spot. I think a small 4 bet size is way better. I think call is not superbad, but the 4bet is much better.

Imo the problem with both hands is, that you voluntarily limit your possible actions. Its easier to push and prey in hand nr. 2. And its easier to bet so big that u dont ve another decision on the flop (or the turn) in the QQ hand.

But on the other hand you make it rly easy for v. to react and you cant react accordingly to stronger hands. (B/f flop in Hand 1) and B/f pre in Hand 2)).


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

When i call pre flop 33 in 3bet mwp and hit the set and of course i lost, board 3-6-7? someones wrote my call definetly bad. But if villain call 33 is good oop. I do not understand. :f_biggrin:


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TyCobb
Joined: 30.03.2006

Originally posted by ToddBrunson
When i call pre flop 33 in 3bet mwp and hit the set and of course i lost, board 3-6-7? someones wrote my call definetly bad. But if villain call 33 is good oop. I do not understand. :f_biggrin:

Maybe you should try to understand? I wrote it is an easy call with 33 cause of the overcaller. This is a) we get pretty good pot odds; b) the ranges of the 3 bettor and the overcaller are pretty strong, so massiv implied, when we hit a set (which you can see in then given hand). He stacks both of you cause you overplay your op.


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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

Originally posted by TyCobb

Originally posted by ToddBrunson
When i call pre flop 33 in 3bet mwp and hit the set and of course i lost, board 3-6-7? someones wrote my call definetly bad. But if villain call 33 is good oop. I do not understand. :f_biggrin:

Maybe you should try to understand? I wrote it is an easy call with 33 cause of the overcaller. This is a) we get pretty good pot odds; b) the ranges of the 3 bettor and the overcaller are pretty strong, so massiv implied, when we hit a set (which you can see in then given hand). He stacks both of you cause you overplay your op.

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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

It suckes when your best hands getting beat or you dont win a flip, but in both cases you still made couple mistakes.
You could lose less, maybe even in 2nd hand. Money saved is money earned.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Yes, 2 hand i made a mistake, but same villain and last hand, when i had got queens, he could able call 11BB with 33, so i thinked maybe he got AQ or AJ, maybe AK and we tie or A2s-A5s.


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