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MP flatting a 3bet vs SB, overplaying a mid strength hand

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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($16.09)
SB ($18.68)
BB ($9.85)
UTG ($37.18)
Hero (MP) ($12.71)
CO ($10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A♣, K♣
1 fold, Hero raises $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises $1.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.90

Flop: ($2.50) 5♣, 7♠, 3♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.50) A♠ (2 players)
SB bets $1.20, Hero raises $2.40, 1 fold

Total pot: $4.90

Preflop: In position AKs is in my flatting range, which is something like this (against unknowns): AK, AQs, AJs, KQs, KJs, QQ*-TT (sometimes 99, 88 if deeper stacks)
I consider AK being a top tier of my medium strength hands not 4bet value hands.

I 4bet KK+ (sometimes QQ*,) and some bluffs containing Axs.

Flop: I think it's best to check back since I can't value bet, but bluffs doesn't make any sense. I dominate all overplayed AQ and Axs bluffs, but lose to all pocket pairs while getting drawn to 6 outs at best.

Turn: I made a mistake here, since I push worse hands out of pot, but isolate my hand vs stronger hands like A7s, A5s, A3s. At this point I didn't realize that my hand is top tier of my medium strength hands and not my nut range. (I also don't have AA here).

Better is to call OTT and OTR and let AQ, AJ type hands to value own themselves. I also represent hands like JJ, TT against whom AQ, AJ and bluffs would/might bet.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Completely standard until the turn.
On the turn you're a little hard on you : I wouldn't say it's a mistake, it's just one of the numerous options you have here and I don't know which one is best.
I quite like that minraise though. Don't be too result oriented. When he folds here, you probably wouldn't have taken him more chips by calling.


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

Can I ask you what range do you open from MP?
Do you open suited connectors like 78s, 89s, 9Ts and above? If yes, I think it is very profitable to add some of the best ones to your calling to 3bet range when you are IP (example: QJs, TJs, 9Ts).


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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

Originally posted by headshot2009
Can I ask you what range do you open from MP?
Do you open suited connectors like 78s, 89s, 9Ts and above? If yes, I think it is very profitable to add some of the best ones to your calling to 3bet range when you are IP (example: QJs, TJs, 9Ts).

My range is close to this if CO and BTN are not 3betting very light:
AA-66,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo,AKs-A2s,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s-86s,76s,65s,54s

I have flatted with some portion of T9s-QJs, but in general I call with those if 3-bettor is loose and/or effective stacks are deeper.

Thanks! I'll keep it in mind, if maybe I need to widen my 3bet calling range


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

I think you could widen your 3bet calling range too but it's not mandatory at NL10.
That being said I'm more surprised by some of your MP opening choices : I clearly prefer adding 22-55 (and eventually K9s-K8s and Q9s) before QJo or 45s


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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
I think you could widen your 3bet calling range too but it's not mandatory at NL10.
That being said I'm more surprised by some of your MP opening choices : I clearly prefer adding 22-55 (and eventually K9s-K8s and Q9s) before QJo or 45s

Oh yeh, I missed something:
It's more like this after 978 opened hands (from HEM) in MP:
AA-55,AKo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo,AKs-A2s,KQs-K9s,QJs-Q9s,JTs-J9s,T9s,98s,87s,76s (~18%)

and 54s and 65s is only 6 hands combined (so 0,6 %)
I strongly disagree with opening 22-44. Those hands lose money in long term from UTG (also 55-66 might be a fold) and MP.

I actually prefer KJo over K9s and K8s, because many opponents defend their blinds with K9s-K6s, fe.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Opening 22-44 isn't good UTG at higher stakes (and even there it's quite playable at MP but it's close) but at micros it totally is.
You have to realise that what makes small pockets unplayable later on is mainly the fact that opponents are 3betting you a lot which keeps you from realising your equity (and then the fact that people are good enough not to call you too wide when you hit your set which lessen your implied odds).

As micros population doesn't 3bet pre quite as much as they should to manage this, you'll do fine with small PP, in addition to the fact that people will stack off too easily when you hit your set.

In games where 22-44 aren't playable, people are certainly not opening with QJo instead lol, and probably not with 56s !

I didn't oppose KJo to K9s, I think both are playable.


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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

Thanks for the feedback! I'll have something to think about, evaluate. :f_thumbsup:


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