Hi guys !
We are discussing about a hand a Friend played and we don't get agree
Need other point of view.
I can't copy the hand, but here are the main facts :
Zoom PLO 5€
UTG (6.44€) open 0,17€
Hero BU (5€) raises pot 0,58€ (he was looking for an other table and haven't seen the UTG's open 😅) with Q♦: J♠: 9♣: 8♠:
Blinds fold and OR calls. They play HU. Pot 1,23€
Flop is K♣: T♥: 7♦:
UTG checks.
Hero bets 0,59€.
UTG raises 2,94€
Q1 : raise or fold OTF
Q2 : was it such an awfull missclick raise PF.
Q3 : is it a fold PF ?
Thanks for your answers.
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Hi tartinopainfrais,
Q3: I would not fold this pre. I would not raise it without the Ten An ace might help too
Q2: I don't think it is truly awful, a lot depends on what UTG's tendencies are. If nothing else, raising drives out the wannabes
Q1: You have the nut straight on a rainbow board -- how could you ever fold? . If villain holds two pair or trips, they can make a boat, so you need to make them pay dearly to see those next cards. Worse straights may call. You may also be tied. So I vote raise flop -- although I would love to hear what the other players think...
Cheers,
VS
Vorpal, he has a wrap, not a straight. So charging the sets might be a little too thin 
Q1: Neither. Call is best. Raising is not a mistake. Folding the biggest wrap you can make in PLO (20 outs) on a rainbow board is a huge mistake. Calling is a little better than pushing because you can save 1/3 your stack on a turn board pair, where you will be drawing dead almost always. But if you dont want to make such "absurd" fold on the turn just stack off the flop without thinking much about it
Q2: No, its actually not that bad against a loose UTG opener. Ofcourse you should be 3betting UTG really tight. So call is the standard
Q3: I think we answered that already
What do you do on Q or J on the turn? A hand like AKQJ has you dead as well, ofc he doesn't have it that often but he can also have AKKQ/AJTT etc. Also if 7 pairs and he bets with KT you fold out a lot of equity etc. I think I wouldn't be fancy and just push the flop.
Well then maybe call on the 7 turn but fold the K or T. But yeah, just stack off flop to keep things simple is cool
Btw, we didnt talk about the flop CBet sizing. I would pot to force out pair+gutshot hands that flip with us. And if we potted the flop and got raise, its alot simpler - just stack off
I would go with nsavov’s version, but look forward to others 2 cents on the issue.
Originally posted by nsavov
Vorpal, he has a wrap, not a straight. So charging the sets might be a little too thin
<groan> I shouldn't post when I'm tired.
Or play poker either...
Thx guys 😁
I was also doubting between call and AI OTF for his play.
I haven't consider the betsize OTF. And you are right, check back or pot are the best plays.
For info, vilain showed KK75 SS 😮 but dealer didn't like my friend and none of its odds came 😫
I also read that his 3bet was a hudge mistake or that's a fold PF...
I won't speak PLO with french community any longer 🤐
3bet is a bad play, calling is sort of "meh..." but not that horrible. As usual, a lot depends on what kind of opponent you have.
On the flop the key to decision is in opponent's range. If his range is sets, then you call flop and call shove on the turn if the board doesn't pair.
Shoving on the flop is the easy way, but not the maxEV way. Opponent is going to shove any turn anyway, so if you call any turn the outcome is the same as with getting it in on the flop. But if you can fold at least one turn card, your EV increases compared to flop all-in. In there you can easily fold at least on K, T turns. So call, and get it in on the turn if you dodge K or T.
And yes, the flop sizing is bad. No matter what hand your friend has there. 