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AKo in BB vs weired turn shove from SB

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Talisker74
Joined: 17.08.2009

Hello guys,

i played the following hand.
I guess preflop it is quiet weird from SB to minraise here.
I really can`t give SB a range for doing this.
So i dicided to 3bet a bit higher to isolate SB, because i guess due to his size he is a weaker player.
Flop is drawy and i won`t give a free card, so i dicided to cbet here, it would be nice to take down the pot immediatly.
If getting called not really bad, but against a raise i will have got to fold. (Do you think so as well?)

Turn i make TPTK and villain shoves on a 2ss board. I block the nut flushes from original nut flush doors.
So what can villain have here?
KQ would have raised on the flop, at least sometimes
Sets? I guess sets are not much in his range, because he would have raised them on the flop (KK would have made more action pre...)
So damn, he could have a fd or weaker K.
Would do you think about the call?

Thanks for leaving a comment
Slainte
Talisker

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $9.80 (98 bb)
Hero (BB): $13.50 (135 bb)
UTG: $10.50 (105 bb)
MP: $10.50 (105 bb)
CO: $3.32 (33.2 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♠: A♣:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.25, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.07, BTN folds, SB calls $0.67

Flop: ($2.39) 4♣: Q♣: 7♦: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.14, SB calls $1.14

Turn: ($4.67) K♦: (2 players)
SB bets $7.59 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.59

River: ($19.85) 3♣: (2 players, 1 is all-in)


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Bad flop for you, I wonder what are you hoping to make villain fold here. I'd check back, especially with the Ac.
As played you made your bed, he seems stupid, close your eyes, call and pray.
The prayer isn't required. You might not believe in poker gods.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

You are not 3betting, you are 4betting here.
It indeed looks fishy when villain 3bets so small. He is probably a weaker player. However, that doesn't always mean that he 3bets small with weak hands. This could also be a sign of strength. He has AA or KK and wants to get calls or light 4bets.

I think check behind OTF is a decent option. When you consider that this is a 4bet pot, think about villains 3bet/call 4bet range and see that Ac and Qc block flush draws quite nicely, I wouldn't say that this is a drawy flop.

OTT you hit TPTK which is nice, but villain donk overbets big. I just smell a trap with AA or KK here. I doubt he plays weak Kx hands so aggro vs 4better. But ofc it is possible to see some stupid hands.

I think we can still call as Floxy said but I think we really need that prayer


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diabloykiss
Joined: 19.04.2018

as played 100% foldind that overbet turn

Checking behind OTF in a 4bet pot with your hand.


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Talisker74
Joined: 17.08.2009

@ diabloykiss: I understand why you say fold against the overbet. But Why do recommend to check back the flop?


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

The opp could have KQ here (maybe AQd) , not only trapped AA or KK. I would fold it.
As you are blocking nut flush draws I would bet 1/3 pot OTF, that size should do the same effect. Not sure why check back could be better.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

In fact the standard cbetting size is even lower in 4bet pot, more about 1/4.
I wouldn't cbet that flop because villain's range should be mostly composed of high PP and broadways, so on Qxx it hits pretty hard and nearly nothing is gonna fold to a simple barrel (if we suppose he isn't folding TT or AK). He's only gonna fold combos that have ridiculous equity against us so betting doesn't accomplish anything.


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

Check back the flop and unless you have information about the player fold if he shoves the turn and save yourself some chips.


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

I would not say it is a real 4bet pot cause the size of 4bet was like a standard 3bet :)

Myfloxybaby: why Ac makes a check back even better than any other A in our hand?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

It blocks some potential flush draws villain could have.
If he would have some flush draws they would have some equity and we would prevent him from realizing it cheaply. Our hand could win in the showdown against those hands so we managed to increase the pot we win also.
If he doesn't have those flush draws, he only has crap that has very little equity against us or then he has a made hand like PP or Qx and calls. Since many flush draws were blocked, it leaves more of those hands in his range.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Sorry headshot I couldn't come in time so I sent my pet polar bear to explain in my stead :P
He does it better than me anyway.
You know the saying. Those who can't play can teach well


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Talisker74
Joined: 17.08.2009

Thank you for dicussion this hand.
I made a good prayer, becuase of this result:

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $9.80 (98 bb)
Hero (BB): $13.50 (135 bb)
UTG: $10.50 (105 bb)
MP: $10.50 (105 bb)
CO: $3.32 (33.2 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♠: A♣:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.25, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.07, BTN folds, SB calls $0.67

Flop: ($2.39) 4♣: Q♣: 7♦: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.14, SB calls $1.14

Turn: ($4.67) K♦: (2 players)
SB bets $7.59 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.59

River: ($19.85) 3♣: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$19.85 pot ($0.89 rake)
Final Board: 4♣: Q♣: 7♦: K♦: 3♣:
SB showed T♣: T♥: and lost (-$9.80 net)
Hero showed K♠: A♣: and won $18.96 ($9.16 net)


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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

make a note on this player, this is a very valuable info. My question is actually what kind of note you will make right now? Believe me, i have a reason why im asking


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Well then I was right about TT not folding on the flop
Thanks for sharing the result, I'm always curious and people often skip it.


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OrigamiPoker
Joined: 27.10.2018

For me Qxx boards are the worst for AK and I don't much like building the pot bigger than it needs to be. Even AQx boards for AK im not falling in love with because the hands we get action from for stacks are AQ QQ rather than AJ . Unless we know villain is a calling station or maniac.


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Talisker74
Joined: 17.08.2009

Originally posted by pokerboy198229
make a note on this player, this is a very valuable info. My question is actually what kind of note you will make right now? Believe me, i have a reason why im asking

@ pokerboy: To be honest i`m not really good in note taking, that is one of my leaks. I guess i miss lot of value not doing this.
So for this player i will wirte:
Weaker player, overplaying his hand and able to make agressive moves
shoves TT on 4Qss7Kss for 75bb


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think it could be important to mention that it was a donk overbet shove. And that he did min 3bet TT pre.


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