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(FR) Isolating with K8s from MP3?

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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Bad spot to bluff?

$0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players

BTN: 136 BB (VPIP: 13.49, PFR: 7.91, 3Bet Preflop: 2.60, Hands: 215)
SB: 150 BB (VPIP: 13.89, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 73)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 110 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
UTG+1: 119 BB (VPIP: 13.74, PFR: 7.01, 3Bet Preflop: 2.46, Hands: 792)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (CO): 104.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ 8♥
Thoughts:

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usually, I wouldn't try to isolate from here with less than KTs, but CO and BU looked so tight/nitish, than I decided to give it a try

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 4 BB

Flop: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 9♠ 6♣ T♣
Thoughts:

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well, no point of cbetting here with an one card gutshot + an overcard in this board, IMHO.

UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 6♦
UTG checks, Hero bets 5.5 BB, UTG calls 5.5 BB
Thoughts:

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but when villain checked twice, I decided to try to steal the pot

River: (22.5 BB, 2 players) T♥
Thoughts and questions:

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at this point, my hand was worthless. If I checked behind, I'd loose 100% of the times, so I opted for continuing to bluff.
WTF was I representing here? A weak T that hadn't cbeted OTF? Maybe 65s, 76s?
Would villain fold AX hands, smaller pocket pairs or even 9X to that bet?

UTG checks, Hero bets 14.5 BB, fold

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Hero wins 21.5 BB


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Iso pre is fine. K8s is a hand that u wanna play vs fish (its strong enough). OTF I agree that it´s better to xb. If you wanted to bet, you should go with pot sized bet or overbet, smaller don´t make much sense imo. OTT I would apply the same logic, if u had 6x you would want to overbet here, so half pot doesn´t make that much sense either. But you are right ppl don´t protect their double x range so betting there should be auto profit. However this is kinda wet board and I still wouldn´t bet with merged sizing (up to 1/2 its merged). OTR I would be very careful and wouldn´t expect Ax to fold often enough. Therefore Ax wouldn´t be hands I would target primarily. I would target KQ, KJ (shortly K highs, Q highs). And those will fold vs 1/2 pot sized bet. Even when I think about our range, 1/2 makes much more sense (we would still wanna value bet our 6x and 1/2 should do it).


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

Thanks, Mozzek.
So pot size turn and half pot river, right?


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pguest
Joined: 01.04.2009

I wonder which hands would've call a pote size bet OTT and from those which hands would fold to a cbet OTR


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Yes, that´d make sense in my opinion. But ppl might already overfold OTT, so the OTR might not be necessary. Also in general be careful, ppl are stationish on double paired boards.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Originally posted by pguest
I wonder which hands would've call a pote size bet OTT and from those which hands would fold to a cbet OTR

Exactly, that´s my issue with continuing OTR, theoretically there should be hands like 9x probably, 77, 88. But do they fold OTR then? Maybe just one and done OTT would be the best. Not sure about this, maybe others can explain.


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