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KTs river straight on J9T5Q board

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shooshte
Joined: 23.08.2018

partypoker - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 268.5 BB (VPIP: 25.19, PFR: 14.07, 3Bet Preflop: 7.02, Hands: 137)
SB: 60.1 BB (VPIP: 41.86, PFR: 26.19, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 43)
BB: 157.2 BB (VPIP: 20.56, PFR: 17.38, 3Bet Preflop: 9.49, Hands: 1,035)
UTG: 116.9 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 9.36, 3Bet Preflop: 2.46, Hands: 310)
Hero (MP): 132.3 BB
CO: 293.7 BB (VPIP: 28.21, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♠ T♠

UTG is super nitty - so this should be a fold.

UTG raises to 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) J♣ 9♥ T♣
UTG checks, Hero checks

We hit mid pair on a really wet board. Should I be betting to protect my hand here?

Turn: (9.5 BB, 2 players) 5♦
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (9.5 BB, 2 players) Q♥
UTG bets 6.8 BB, Hero calls 6.8 BB

We hit our straight and the villain makes a big bet. I decide to just call instead of raising, as I think only a better straight calls a raise here. Is this correct or should I just go broke?

Spoiler

UTG shows A♦ K♣ (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 69%, Flop 32%, Turn 16%)
Hero mucks K♠ T♠ (Straight, King High)
(Pre 31%, Flop 68%, Turn 84%)
UTG wins 22 BB


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Yeah just fold pre against a 4x open.
As played nothing much else to do. I'm afraid it's often AK here.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

For me it doesn't matter if UTG is nitty in this case or not. It also doesn't matter if he opens to 4bb or 3bb. I'm folding this hand anyway. Against minraise I would consider a different line, but even then I might just 3bet.

I think betting vs missed cbet OTF could be valid option. It is often autoprofit. Another line that is often autoprofit is betting when villain checks twice.
OTR is ok.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

"It is often autoprofit" because people aren't often nits. I don't really see the point of betting midpair versus a pot controlling nit.
I could be wrong about this spot but the autoprofit argument is often overrated and misapplied in my opinion, so much it has become one of my pet peeves actually. Don't forget checking back has a positive EV too.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

You have a valid point. He could be pot controlling nit, but he also could by nittyish regular who cbets 70% in 3bet pots and fold after checking. But anyway I do agree with you that the flop stab is not necessary. That is why I said it "could be a valid option". Betting the turn after he checks twice is still imo quite good move.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Fold pre.
As played, I would min raise-call OTR on this very small pot. Your hand is very strong. He checks twice and then bets on a scare card. His range is very strong on that board, but I dont care. We have the straight.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Originally posted by zetozinho
As played, I would min raise-call OTR on this very small pot. Your hand is very strong. He checks twice and then bets on a scare card. His range is very strong on that board, but I dont care. We have the straight.

Yes we have. And him, what does he have here that is gonna call ? =)


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Maybe a split pot but I raise this anyway. Its NL10.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

So you are raising to hopefully split ? =)
Ok at NL10 they sometimes (and it's not even sure) don't know how to fold their DP/sets on that type of spot, but as played they don't have any so it's always Kx, AK or fold.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

No, I raise to obviously get called by 88 and some donk calls he may have, like sets.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

How the heck do you want him to have a set and bet/call it ?
Who would wait for such a bad card to finally wake up with a set lol.
If you want to see stupid river calls that badly come to Lemon's stream this tuesday if I'm not mistaken. I gave him NL25- hands I played shamelessly, I expect anything


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
How the heck do you want him to have a set and bet/call it ?
Who would want such a bad card to finally wake up with a set lol.
If you want to see stupid river calls that badly come to Lemon's stream this tuesday if I'm not mistaken. I gave him NL25- hands I played shamelessly, I expect anything

What stakes are you playing?


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Ain't got no limit baby ! :fuckyeah:
I'm kind of the poor homeless grinder without a fixed limit. :sifflote:
The spots will be taken from micros and low stakes only to fit the spirit of the coaching and make it simpler to adjust to my opponent (it's gonna be some kind of fish battle between me and bigdog63 aka FatKingLouie). I still don't know what filters Lemon will apply to select the hands, maybe turn overbets or river calls or cbet in 3bet pots, I trust him to find something fun and interesting.

Besides, I try to avoid talking about stakes and winrates here as I've always hated the RO dynamic it creates between forum regs, say "oh he plays higher or wins more than me so he must be right I'm gonna shut up" is so not the way to go on a forum.
Someone can play NL2 and be right. Someone can play NL5K and make a stupid mistake in his post. Just read them all and decide for yourself ! And nobody deserves more respect or anything because of where he's playing. Come talk nicely, have fun and let your big pro ego at the door please. At least that's my philosophy. =)
Not to mention sometimes it's the opposite argument that happens lol. "Oh you haven't played that kind of low stakes for years you must have forgotten how bad they are and all". :ayfkm:
I happened to play some micros this last month to challenge a french streamer for fun so I still know how it's like thank you.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

If he has a set, he would indeed have played this hand quite weirdly. Imo not a good idea to check twice and bet on a horrible card :f_biggrin:

My opinion must be correct because I play NL200 against Snowie.


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

I don't know if it was the case, but my intent was not to ask you how high you play in order to get clear with "oh he plays higher or wins more than me so he must be right I'm gonna shut up".
It was just curiosity, because I've never seen you post a hand for discussion, but you help basically everybody that does, and that's commendable.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

Well, it's not totally true, I seldom step into FR because it's so boring it shouldn't exist anymore come on kof kof I mean I don't feel competent there, and of course I wouldn't even try and help la55i because he is clearly beyond help, you have seen the guy.
Note that he doesn't post any hand either. Must be something in common between lazyass in winter hibernation mode.

I have to thank you because I didn't know the word "commendable". Probably because I'm not often commended.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I didn't know I needed help but maybe you are right :f_mad:
Maybe I have focused so much on helping others that I have forgot to help myself?


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

YO,
PRF as you all said is a clear FOLD!
I would bet 50% OTF for value and protection vs his AQ+. OTR if you want to up your red line you could min R:) HE should fold 100%.


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vengeance77
Joined: 18.04.2010

Do you have HUD on fast fold?


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shooshte
Joined: 23.08.2018

Originally posted by vengeance77
Do you have HUD on fast fold?

Yeah. Playing fastfold because it's the only cash game that does not make players anonymous in hand history...


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