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Adelardo
Adelardo
Joined: 19.03.2008
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11.02.2019, 14:34

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 104 BB (VPIP: 27.91, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 45)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 17.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
BTN: 103 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (SB): 132 BB
BB: 134 BB (VPIP: 26.83, PFR: 26.83, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 45)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ K♠

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, CO raises to 28 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

Flop: (57 BB, 2 players) T♠ Q♠ 3♠
Hero checks, CO bets 72 BB and is all-in

Hero ?


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la55i
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11.02.2019, 15:28

Shove pre.


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SDK1987
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11.02.2019, 15:55

Pre-flop shoving is indeed the best option and if you want to slow play you can't fold on the flop ether I think. He can easy shove with worse and you have the 2nd nut flush draw as back up.

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Adelardo
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11.02.2019, 16:32

Push preflop change nothing : I was quite certain he had Aces.

My question is about odds. He can't have AKs of spade. So I have count 11 outs and called. (I have presumed he don't had the Ace of spade).

Is it correct ?


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aaneto12
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Joined: 22.03.2018
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11.02.2019, 17:54

he can still have AKo with As.


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la55i
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11.02.2019, 18:41

I don't even bother to think about the odds post flop here. It is a shove pre. If you are so certain about him having aces, then you absolutely should fold instead of call.


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Adelardo
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11.02.2019, 19:55

Ok

Next time I shove preflop.

But in that situation may be a fold was a better choice. All the move was bad.


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Tomaloc
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11.02.2019, 22:57

i'm not sure why you are so certain that villain has aces. sometimes i feel very uncomfortable with KK when facing a tight guy 4betting from UTG, but this looks nothing like that...


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la55i
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12.02.2019, 05:38

.

Of course, when you know villain has only AA or AA, AKs. In other situations pretty much no.


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MyFloXyBabY
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12.02.2019, 22:48

The preflop flat doesn't bother me at all, but it's not "because he has AA for sure". You want to keep his range wider because the field doesn't call 5bet loosely enough.
I don't fold on that flop and I don't care.
Oh and please never ever fold KK pre (in CG).


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Oly0909
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13.02.2019, 13:43

I would flat KK here only if efective stacks are cca 250BB+. With 100BB don’t even think about it.


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