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Knew He Had a Flush Draw

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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

At the flop, I knew that Villain was on a flush draw. Thus, at Turn with Top Pair-Top Kicker, I knew that I had him beat. I tend to simply min raise these scenarios. Should I have shoved? Also with two cards above board, it is standard for me to call a flop bet. As long as the flop bet is 15 BB or less.
Ignition - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 285.1 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 34)
UTG+1: 86.8 BB (VPIP: 12.12, PFR: 6.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
MP: 105.1 BB (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
MP+1: 0 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 34)
MP+2: 24.2 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 0 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
SB: 90.3 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 131.4 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 34)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, Hero posts penalty blind 1.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3 BB) MP has 4♠ A♠

Pre Flop: (pot: 3 BB) Hero has A♥ J♠

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (15.5 BB, 5 players) 7♠ 4♦ 2♠
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets 8 BB, MP+2 calls 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (39.5 BB, 3 players) J♣
MP bets 16 BB, MP+2 calls 13.2 BB and is all-in, Hero raises to 32 BB, MP calls 16 BB

River: (116.7 BB, 3 players) 5♠
MP bets 62.1 BB and is all-in, fold

MP shows 4♠ A♠ (Flush, Ace High)

MP wins 35.8 BB
MP wins 75.1 BB


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

In most cases I would just fold on the flop. He's leading in to 4 players and there is a decent change you 2 over cards aren't life. You already need to ask yourself if it's profitable to call a raise of someone pre-flop that makes his first raise in 20 hands he played so far. If you want to raise on the turn I would shove. A min raise isn't working if you want that he folds his draws. he gets to good odds to call.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Originally posted by SDK1987
In most cases I would just fold on the flop. He's leading in to 4 players and there is a decent change you 2 over cards aren't life. You already need to ask yourself if it's profitable to call a raise of someone pre-flop that makes his first raise in 20 hands he played so far. If you want to raise on the turn I would shove. A min raise isn't working if you want that he folds his draws. he gets to good odds to call.

Cheers,
SDK1987

I am not surprised by your suggestion to shove the Turn. But, do you consider the bet size when calling with 2 over cards? Calling 8 BB seemed correct.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Not to much or it's less than half pot, but even than the reverse implied odds are bad.
If you deal with a set or 2 pair you are crushed and multi way the change is decent I think.


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Originally posted by SDK1987
Not to much or it's less than half pot, but even than the reverse implied odds are bad.
If you deal with a set or 2 pair you are crushed and multi way the change is decent I think.

Ok. Thanks for the answer.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

I'd just fold or squeeze preflop
Fold flop
Now call turn always it's a protected pot, you're never bluffing
if you jam nothing worse ever calls you
If you do this you just give odds to draws to draw here

Same principle on the river
you are fried
he is jamming into a protected pot, bluffing goes way down in value
you just have to fold here, well done there


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

Actually nevermind, you knew his 2 cards somehow (psychic?)
So of course we go all-in on the turn, charge his flush draw or make him fold all that equity in a big pot

Also, please write a book on how you know what cards people have, thank you very much!


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Am i the only one tribeting pre?
As played, im most probably folding OTF.


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Pre flop 3bet or fold, AJo very bad hand in mwp. Lemon wrote similar i see. And post flop why you call? I think easy fold your hand almost never will be enough to win.


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srichards
Joined: 26.11.2012

Originally posted by LemOn36
Actually nevermind, you knew his 2 cards somehow (psychic?)
So of course we go all-in on the turn, charge his flush draw or make him fold all that equity in a big pot

Also, please write a book on how you know what cards people have, thank you very much!

LOL! Not psychic? Excellent players can frequently read their opponents. Even slightly above average, but not great players like me can sometimes read them. Mostly, look at the board and their bet amounts. Also, consider normal play tactics with certain hands. This information allows me to sometimes read their hand. I now realize that I should have folded the Turn. I min raise sometimes to not scare away my action when I am confident that my hand is best. But this tactic sometimes does not work.


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