Bad run or standard?

I don't have a tracker, but judging by the number of times I fold on the flop it is fairly high.

But what does "miss the flop" mean?
If you mean a hand that has no pairs, no straight draws, no flush draws I would say that such a case is rare.

But in Omaha to continue post-flop requires that you have enough equity to do so.
Often a hand might have top pair, an overpair or some straight or flush draws but still be so dominated that it is necessary to fold.

Worse, even if you have pairs and redraws to straights or flushes, if you aren't drawing to the nuts you could be just digging yourself a deeper hole.

The first rule of holes:
If you find yourself in a hole, first stop digging!

Edit: I just re-read my post and realized that if I'm folding so much on the flop, it is quite likely I'm playing too many hands

Cheers,
VS

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I don't have a tracker, but judging by the number of times I fold on the flop it is fairly high.

But what does "miss the flop" mean?
If you mean a hand that has no pairs, no straight draws, no flush draws I would say that such a case is rare.

Well, I guess that the definition for missing the flop would be not having enough (presumed) equity to continue betting.

I don't play enough on sites that allow trackers to be able to tell.
I would be interested in seeing some stats though...

I find that when I get tighter pre-flop I'm not folding so often post-flop -- but I don't have numbers, it's just how it seems.

It depends on your hand, the more components (ways to hit the flop) you have, the more often you hit the flop.

Example: AT63r has top pair or better on the flop 33% of times, and has oesd 5% of times. So it hits the flop in decent way 38% of times.
QJT9ds hits flop with top pair or better 44% of times, and oesd+ 21% of times and flush draw 24% of times. Some of the flush draws overlap with straight draws and made hands, but it hits the flop someway at least around 70% of times.

Well, Kyyberi, you already covered a small part about opening ranges from early position in a skype session.
Balancing opening hands more, because certain hands, like the broadway types I mentioned, will be hard to play post-flop (especially out of position) when there are only low cards on the board.

In general, the game of Omaha keeps surprising me, it is more complicated than it seems, even after playing it for a while now. But this is also where the money is in the long run, learning the game, equity etc. and gaining an edge that way ♠_thumbsup:

The perfect example of what I mean is a hand like A♠:K♠:A♥:K♥: and a flop coming 8♦:7♣:5♠:, 3way pot, getting check-raised with only an overpair and a backdoor flush

In PLO, EVERY hand is a drawing hand. You always draw for a good flop.

I suppose it's also good to ask if we want to cbet in first place with that AAKKds on 875 3way flop or would just check-fold be best option.

Originally posted by ghaleon
I suppose it's also good to ask if we want to cbet in first place with that AAKKds on 875 3way flop or would just check-fold be best option.

I have to agree that check-folding would be best.

Originally posted by Kyyberi
In PLO, EVERY hand is a drawing hand. You always draw for a good flop.

I do agree, but sometimes you are just dead in the water, like this hand I played this evening, which is an excellent example of running bad:

Partypoker $0.05/$0.10 (6 handed)

SB: $10.32
BB: $10.00
UTG: $11.83
MP: $15.73
Hero (CO): $10.05
BTN: $40.30

Preflop: Hero is CO with A♠: A♦: T♠: 6♦:
UTG bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.75, BU calls, UTG raises to $2.65, Hero raises to $8.85,
BU folds, UTG raises to $11.83 (all-in), Hero calls

Flop: ($21.00) K♣: 6♣: 2♣: (2 players)

Turn: ($21.00) 2♠: (2 players)

River: ($21.00) K♥: (2 players)
UTG shows A♣:A♥:T♥:4♣: and wins with Flush ace high, Hero mucks

Originally posted by ghaleon
I suppose it's also good to ask if we want to cbet in first place with that AAKKds on 875 3way flop or would just check-fold be best option.

It is important to know what came before.
We know that it is 3-way, but are we the pre-flop aggressor, is it a 3-Bet pot, do villains often play hands in the mid-range, what are the stack sizes and tendencies of the villain.

If hero is blocking Aces and Ks a CBet will sometimes take this, but it is def a fold to a check/raise

Cheers,
VS

Anyways, don't want to turn this into a cry thread... We all know variance is a b*tch in Omaha.

I'm playing break even and working on improving that so

When I watch Kyyberi streams I see the same kind of bad luck that I encounter, so I guess it is standard

Downswings and losing sessions are inevitable. But they are backed up with upswings and winning sessions. I know it's hard to remember that when you have a really bad session, and that's why mental game is so important in PLO.

I had some rough start of the week (those who watched the streams know what I am talking about), but now at Friday I am back at the same bankroll I had at the start of the week.

Hi Tim and hello to everyone on this thread. I am now Gold level member and able to access a bit more features on the site here. PLO is my game. I have watched Kyyberi play via the years a little bit and have enjoyed watching and listening to his dialogue. I would like to type a little bit now.

Okay, so of all the table time, and videos and books I have read ... there is one in particular that has helped me immensely. It's def a work thru book that one would get a lot more out of it if studied on the buddy system. I've read the first half of it and then taken some hands to propokertools to learn / get the feel more for my equity holdings in this game. I've learned that PLO is quite polar opposite from NL Holdem. NL is a pre flop, pairing and artistic game. PLO is a post flop, drawing, absolute mathematical game. I enjoy calculation in PLO a lot.

Anyyea, if anyone would like to study this book with me via Skype or some other application or method , I would love to. I believe that strongly in this book I am making mention of. I also have the copy of the book on PDF and would be more than happy to forward it out to any who would like to join me.

Peace !

Kyyberi ... how to watch your streams ?

Originally posted by mathkid
Kyyberi ... how to watch your streams ?

https://www.twitch.tv/kyyberi . I even watch him from time to time and I don't play PLO. Well I do........ badly.

Thank you Lazza61

Best way to know when the stream is going on is to follow me at Twitter. As I don't have any fixed scheduled. https://twitter.com/Coach_Kyyberi

ok ty