KK in regular tournament.

The question is --

Even if it is the correct thing to do, could you ever fold KK preflop in an MTT?

It is certainly +EV to fold KK in certain situations where you would have to shove into two larger stacks and there is a player with < 2 BB on another table about to go through the blinds. This is especially true in Double-or-Nothing formats, or satellites

I did something similar today holding A♦:Q♦: on the button with 3 left to the money.

Only in satelites and double or nothings it could be +EV to fold KK. Especially on the bubble, but it's a rare. In normal MTT's it's almost never +ev to fold KK pre-flop or you are sure you are against AA.

Cheers,
SDK1987

In sng or mtt I can count times I have fold KK preflop and thought it as reasonable play with one hand fingers. That during millions of hands so most of time I would not worry about that.

Yesterdays dreamspot with kings gone bad

PokerStars, $14.70 + $1.80 - Hold'em No Limit - 250/500 (65 ante) - 9 players

UTG: 8,944 (18 bb)
UTG+1: 23,323 (47 bb)
MP: 9,630 (19 bb)
MP+1: 11,749 (23 bb)
LP: 5,810 (12 bb)
CO: 16,935 (34 bb)
BU (Hero): 19,535 (39 bb)
SB: 10,055 (20 bb)
BB: 32,816 (66 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,335) Hero is BTN with K♥ K♠
UTG raises to 8,879 (all-in), 1 fold, MP 3-bets to 9,565 (all-in), 1 fold, LP calls 5,745 (all-in), 1 fold, Hero 4-bets to 19,470 (all-in), 2 players fold

Flop: (35,089) 9♦ J♥ 5♦ (4 players, 4 all-in)

Turn: (35,089) 3♦ (4 players, 4 all-in)

River: (35,089) A♦ (4 players, 4 all-in)

Total pot: 35,089

Showdown:
BU (Hero) shows K♥ K♠ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 60%, Turn: 78%, River: 0%)

MP shows A♣ Q♥ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 21%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 8%, River: 100%)

UTG shows J♣ Q♣ (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 11%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 10%, River: 0%)

LP shows 8♣ 8♥ (a pair of Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 12%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

MP wins 35,089

That's just unlucky. Next time better

Originally posted by strenkku82
Yesterdays dreamspot with kings gone bad

Hi strenkku82
Welcome to PokerStrategy.com
If you like, I suggest creating a new thread in the tournament hand discussion forum for your hand. In this case though, as SDK1987 says, it basically comes down to a nasty river card.

If you have any questions, just post them in the Q&A forum.

All the best,
VS

Yes worst possible river, i rather take hit from bullets 8 or jack in enemys fire and get bounty for my sacrifices. :f_rolleyes::f_thumbsup:

And thanks for having me here!:spade:

i never fold 1vs1 but if somethimes its middel fase and in to the pot goes 2 or more players In front of me and i have a good stak
i fold.

Hi kakaokakao
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4% of the time, our KK will run into AA at a 9 handed table so in theory 4% of time it would be +EV to fold if we knew our opponent had exactly AA. In practice, unless there are ICM considerations, it's lighting money on fire to fold KK.