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PLO10 AQ74s flopped second nuts

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

CO open, BU call and I call. Hand has only one nut component though so preflop call could be pretty bad idea? Though some chance to flop top two.

I flop second nuts, check and CO cbet 0.85€ or so. BU fold and I call. Turn check-call versus bit over 2€ bet and went for check-call on river. No sense to be raising at any point when I cant have AAxx and CO can imo. Plus 4x is fairly unlikely for villain.

PS: Well yeah AQ can obviously make nut straight also.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

hand with only 1 nut component are good to limp or call preflop because they want to play deep SPR's with their polarized flop distributions. so preflop is well played.

if you have multiple other components playing together with your hand you can 3bet preflop for example with

A♦:Q♠:T♦:7♣:
A♦:K♦:Q♠:9♣:
A♦:J♦:J♠:T♣:

with those you would have much more high-card value (means better 2pairs, trips, kickers, higher flushes...) and more connectivity as all 4 cards work together (to hit straight&-draws more frequently). this especially important when we play big pots oop.

we can just call hands oop with 1 nutted component and multple mediocre side-components like

A♦:Q♠:7♣:7♦:
A♦:J♠:6♣:5♦:
A♦:T♠:7♦:5♣:

Btw you flopped 3rd-nuts ... :tongue:

No sense to be raising at any point when I cant have AAxx and CO can imo. Plus 4x is fairly unlikely for villain.

The river check might be okay as you block his straight with the Q♠: and he could be bluffing, against his :4x: a shove might be too scary so donk-bet/call halfpot or smaller looks good to me. but on flop or turn you have the option to raise small to build the pot earlier so you can gii more easily. Indeed you wont have :Ax::Ax:xx and no range-advantage but your opponent is probably not thinking this far, he is more likely to be a level 0 mindset looking at his hand-value and play it according to what he thinks may be good, this means he will call weaker hands to see the next card not caring too much about your actual raising range, your bet-sizing or even the pot-size.

It would help me to know which stake this is and what sizings are used because I dont know what a 2€ bet means.. is it half pot or pot? how big was the pot? I dont want to calculate it everytime adding the bet-sizes from preflop to river.
Let's say he has a :Qx::Tx:xx straight otr and will calldown anything even an allin cause he is loose/weak and does not give you credit for a fullhouse.

Let's say the pot is 10bb and he bets 5bb otf, 10bb ott and check-calls 40bb pot-sized bet otr. this way you would win 55bb. but if you raise his flop-bet to 12 bb cbet the turn with 17bb halfpot (to manipulate his calling range in case he hits the river) and push it otr allin with 68bb once the stright-completing river-card arrives, this way you win 97bb. That's nearly the double and a significant difference.

You should think about balancing only if you do it against villains who you know were (multi-)barreling aggressively with more defined ranges. otherwise (or against passive opponents) you have to take the intitiative by yourself or raise it or donk-bet it to gain more value in case he wants to call his hand but would check otherwise for example top-pair hands, it is in general very important to maximize the value of your strong hands early cause you cannot overbet later on unlike in NLHE.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

PLO10 is limit as shown in title. Will use percents on future hands. Flop size was around 80-90% and similar on turn. It looked like villain was aiming for river shove possibility.

Balance is something that I have integrated somewhat more on my default holdem play. I don't care about it versus more fishy players but one thing going on in unibet is anonymity. So rarely have strong reads on opponents and regs can be changing nicks.

But yeah I tend to think for example in this sort of hand that if I do raise flop or turn then what my call flop, call turn range will look on river. Do I have any solid river call versus third barrel or are all hands going to be at best hero call ones. That can have downsides but it's not all bad either.

Though of course my experience on omaha is so low that any sort of balanced play is not really going to be happening anyway.

But again on this hand even as exploitative approach when villain is going for big bets I doubt playing this passively is bad idea?

In omaha cash we can probably take some general fish reads. Like what many seems to be doing is having short stack or they might not open raise pot or open limp etc. These things we can use to quickly lean toward reggy or fishy side I would imagine. Don't really have much capability to read on postflop bet sizes outside of some general rule of thumbs anyway.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

but one thing going on in unibet is anonymity

oh that sux. i would change to a site where u can see at least the nick-names. knowing who you play against is necessary to actually win money imo.

Though of course my experience on omaha is so low that any sort of balanced play is not really going to be happening anyway.

this. balancing in plo does not work like in nlhe. you have to approach ranges differently more in terms of textures and lines are different.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Nicks are visible on unibet but they can be changed as often as you want. So for example I tend to change between sessions always. So yeah you can have reads on opponent and some regs actually keep same nick for whatever reason. So versus those it's possible to have good reads also.

BTW I did flop second nuts unless we have rigged deck :)


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

ah ok. well I also play on a site where u can change nicks, but the regulars never do it neither so I always know who is on the table. I also dont do it.
Anyways I still would not balance against unknown, just play tight/straightforward the value of your hands until u know how balancing looks like (often it is just check-calling strong hands which you still have to give up later one or check-calling combo-hands with nut-draw+showdownvalue and ensure not value-betting to frequent with a sizing that isnt covered with a reasonable ratio of bluffs and especially out of position consider the next street that your range contains enough hand where u can continue on all those varios texture shifts, the last point is pretty complicated and requires alot of work away from the tables, it makes sense to use smaller sizings also for nuts and check-folding oop is your friend). That's what worked best for me.

BTW I did flop second nuts unless we have rigged deck

ah yea 2nd nuts as you block :4x::4x:xx :coolface:


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

You cant even take notes or a color patch on unibet. Timebank extension also only when hit in the very last seconds so unibet unfortunately not the best idea to play


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Yeah there are some downsides. Biggest plus is soft player pool, e.g. I see more limping in PLO10 than I have probably ever seen on small stake sng and that is lot... Also rake on sng is pretty much lowest on market. Have not studied cash game rake though. Biggest downside for me currently is lack of tracking which means no PT4 positional report data crunching and well... Not easiest hand posting with no hh :)

Will probably try out party or run it once as second site for omaha at some point. Stars with joke chest rb and fuck you attitude toward regs is bleh and some other sites have high rake (e.g. ipoker) or so I have heard.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Well if you win there I would stay there. It also depends how much you play to see where you're at


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