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PLO10 AT98s face river minraise

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

So CO, BU, SB limp and went for raise. CO and BU call. Bet half pot on flop and BU call. Turn goes checked. On river went for 2/3 bet aiming to get value from weaker flushes mainly. But villain minraise. Price is absurdly good but I doubt weaker flush is raising so seemed a lot like full house or quads.


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

what do you do when you get raised on flop?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Likely just fold. If we check and face big bet it's not much better spot either?


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

IMO a big bet bet vs a check has a wider range than raising a cbet. also we keep weaker draws in instead of scaring them away. you also struggle to rep anything on this flop and even if you have trips here you wont like to get raised


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Eselsdorfjung
Joined: 05.07.2014

Originally posted by efkay
what do you do when you get raised on flop?

You would just check the flop? I do think if you are playing stakes like PLO25 it is fine to check, but till PLO10 and at the micros in general I recognized that in HU pots you get a lot of folds when you are cbetting. Imo 1/2 pot bet is definetely fine. If you get raised as said just fold. On those stakes villain just don´t raise with air.

What I do not understand is why you are checking turn. If you bet the flop I would pot the turn. If the turn card scares you it is very likely that it scares your opponent as well.

As said @efkay, agree with checking on higher stakes, but as the preflop aggressor I would say it is fine to bet the flop on PLO10.


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

ok im not sure so I decided to go for deeper analysis.
Lets assume hero bets 1/2 psb. hand is 3way and we dont know opponents so assume there will be tight and loose continuing ranges. we give the sandwiched guy the tight range of

($FI50!AA): QQ+, Qcc+,68cc+

CO will fold ~60% of his entire range and continue with ~40%. Now BU will call somewhat looser if Co folds and he is last to act. lets say he continues with

($FI50!AA): QQ+,cc, 68:cc, 468, 7+:36+

BU continues around ~48%. alltogether your half pscbet needs to woork 1 of 3 times and I dont see that happening so at very first your cbet wont autoprofit.

so if you dont bet for value or because you have foldequity I cant really see why you are betting. the other problem is your playabaility on further streets.

if you dont improve but continue small you will likely get called another street, if you continue big (I would bet less than 1/2 ps on flop if you have the plan to bet bigger on turn if only get called) on turn, get called and improve river you will play a flush on a paired board OOP and I dont see how a PLO player can like that scenario.

if you check the turn you can only hope for check behind of villains because you cant continue on big bets and small bets might be a trap, esecially because 755 flop is already well enough connected to let someone have a boat.

I dont know I mean Im sure I find more reasons to not cbet the flop but if you really think they will fold often enough yo can go the safe route and 1/3rd the flop IMHO


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I think paired board awkwardness continue whatever we check-call or bet and get called. Perhaps more often we get away from awkward spot when we get raised.

Main benefit from checking would seem to be times flop goes checked or villains bet extremely small.

Range wise I would be happy to pot pre with rundowns like 9875, 4567 with suit. Some double pairs or double suited Axxx can sometimes have 5. Now it's likely only small portion of my range but definitely we can have some strong hands.

Btw doesn't those ranges you gave contain ton of weaker draws as well?


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